I demand full Parliamentary sovereignty.

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"Pro-EU MPs could even argue, ironically, that ignoring the public's will would be parliamentary sovereignty in practice — something that Leave campaigners argue has been conceded to Brussels."

http://uk.businessinsider.com/green-...16-6?r=US&IR=T

I'd love to see the look on Brexiters' faces when they realised how the UK isn't this democratic paradise that would finally be realised if we just left the EU. :rofl:

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(Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
"Pro-EU MPs could even argue, ironically, that ignoring the public's will would be parliamentary sovereignty in practice — something that Leave campaigners argue has been conceded to Brussels."

http://uk.businessinsider.com/green-...16-6?r=US&IR=T

I'd love to see the look on Brexiters' faces when they realised how the UK isn't this democratic paradise that would finally be realised if we just left the EU. :rofl:

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It's a lot more democratic than the EU
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It's a lot more democratic than the EU
All of our sovereignty ultimate relies with one person. The Queen. Does it not?

The Queen isn't elected and we can not get rid of her.
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All of our sovereignty ultimate relies with one person. The Queen. Does it not?

The Queen isn't elected and we can not get rid of her.
neither is the house of lords

but to give powers to a foreign country is taking things too far
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neither is the house of lords

but to give powers to a foreign country is taking things too far
Even if that foreign country by extension makes where you live more democratic and accountable to you?
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All of our sovereignty ultimate relies with one person. The Queen. Does it not?

The Queen isn't elected and we can not get rid of her.
By convention the Queen does what Parliament says.
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Even if that foreign country by extension makes where you live more democratic and accountable to you?
there was actually a person who used to appear on the daily politics show arguing to get rid of the monarchy

The EU hasn't made us more democratic
It often overrules the governments of Ireland, France, Spain, Hungary and Greece.
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I demand sovereignty for me in my own house, not the local council based in the town hall one mile away.
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I demand sovereignty for me in my own house, not the local council based in the town hall one mile away.
You must organise a referendum in your house for that. If you don't like the result, you can re-vote until you get the desired outcome.

Good luck.
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You must organise a referendum in your house for that. If you don't like the result, you can re-vote until you get the desired outcome.

Good luck.
Who the **** are they to tell me I can't star jump naked on my own sovereign territory?(the garden).
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Ministers could attempt to negotiate an updated EU membership deal and put it to another referendum [or] the government could just choose to totally ignore the will of the public.
Finally, a ray of sunshine in the midst of this nightmare...
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Who the **** are they to tell me I can't star jump naked on my own sovereign territory?(the garden).
You have to get a deal for that. Sorry.
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Finally, a ray of sunshine in the midst of this nightmare...
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Mr. President says no.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...a-better-deal/
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You have to get a deal for that. Sorry.
Project fear are saying they won't collect the bins if I secede.
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Even if that foreign country by extension makes where you live more democratic and accountable to you?
No it doesn't. If Westminster does not do as we say we elect a party that will. If the EU commission doesn't do what we say we have to elect MEP's, many of which are self serving prats who are just happy to be on the gravy train, who then have to fight for things on our behalf.

The notion that an additional layer of bureaucracy can increase democratic accountability is laughable. You really have to be a special kind of stupid to believe such a thing. There is a reason most businesses do not allow you to go and speak to the Managing Director directly. Same principle.
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No it doesn't. If Westminster does not do as we say we elect a party that will. If the EU commission doesn't do what we say we have to elect MEP's, many of which are self serving prats who are just happy to be on the gravy train, who then have to fight for things on our behalf.

The notion that an additional layer of bureaucracy can increase democratic accountability is laughable. You really have to be a special kind of stupid to believe such a thing. There is a reason most businesses do not allow you to go and speak to the Managing Director directly. Same principle.
ahhh... So the economy is full of anti-democratic organisations.

I look forward to see you at the next socialist meeting comrade.

Your distinction between MEPs and MPs makes no sense. There are many self serving prat MPs. Maybe if you stopped electing them?
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OP is clearly the sort of inept fool who would declare his own house as an independent state in an attempt to avoid tax.
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Project fear are saying they won't collect the bins if I secede.
Yes, but you will get your tax money back! You'll be free to spend it on what you want.
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I read something like this before Brexit.

It would interesting to see if the Scottish MPs and London MPs get together to block it in parliament. Parliament is overwhelmingly Remain.

The problem are the MPs that are in the poor areas that voted for Leave.
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ahhh... So the economy is full of anti-democratic organisations.
Yes, it is. Companies do not want people rebelling at the bottom. They want people at the bottom following the chain of command and getting **** done.

Your distinction between MEPs and MPs makes no sense. There are many self serving prat MPs. Maybe if you stopped electing them?
It makes complete sense to anyone who understands the structure of both the UK government and EU government. There is an obvious additional layer with the EU. Nobody you elect as an MEP sits on the European Commission and furthermore, it is antidemocratic because it ceases power to other countries in EU with completely different needs to our own.

Nice of you to assume I am voting for them . As for electing MP's, I've not voted in the last 2 elections. I spoilt my ballot both times and in the next election, unless there is a democratic socialist option on the paper I will do the same. The country needs someone with the common persons interests at heart, not corporations. I will not vote for anyone continuing the disgusting neoliberal policies brought to this country by that witch Thatcher and the EU.
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