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    Both the Conservatives and Labour need to split and this will only happen if doing so won't condemn the country to rule by the other. As long as FPTP exists, the UK's two main parties will continue their respective civil wars and political stability will remain a fantasy.
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    (Original post by BasicMistake)
    political stability will remain a fantasy.
    If you think that proportional representation will bring stability you are the one living in dreamland.
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    I agree the need for reform, but yes pretty much any other system will bring about instability.

    However it wont happen anytime soon since FPTP lovers will just bang on about the AV referendum outcome.

    Its a shame that one of the most proportional voting systems we have is actually being lost since we will no longer elect MEPs
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    I don't see how you can blame the instability in the establishment parties on the electoral system.
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    (Original post by TercioOfParma)
    I don't see how you can blame the instability in the establishment parties on the electoral system.
    Because it enforces a two party system which means parties have to accommodate wildly ranging views under one roof.
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    (Original post by cBay)
    Because it enforces a two party system which means parties have to accommodate wildly ranging views under one roof.
    That makes sense, should of thought of that.
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    (Original post by BasicMistake)
    Both the Conservatives and Labour need to split and this will only happen if doing so won't condemn the country to rule by the other. As long as FPTP exists, the UK's two main parties will continue their respective civil wars and political stability will remain a fantasy.
    and the unelected house of lords ?
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    There is only one party in reality, the EU party. You can vote Liberal, Labour or Conservative but regardless you would be voting for the EU party.

    Things need drastic change now. We need new laws which will uphold the British Constitution. Laws which insist and enforce that NO government or group of people can EVER transfer the sovereignty or financial control of the country to an external entity without a public vote and doing so should be an act of treason with the harshest of punishments. We also need to ensure ALL UK laws and regulations that have been pushed aside and/or superseded by EU laws/regs are now rapidly re-instated. It is a travesty that our successive governments have so covertly allowed the EU to trample all over our basic rights and laws without out knowledge and consent.
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    (Original post by TercioOfParma)
    I don't see how you can blame the instability in the establishment parties on the electoral system.
    It would solve the Labour fiasco as the party could split into two. A more left wing party and a more centrist party.

    They can not do that now as each party would cannibalise the left vote letting the Tories in. In seats where Labour should win the Labour vote would be split between the two left parties and since FPTP is winner takes all on every level the Tories could win it even though more people voted for a left wing/centre left party.

    There is the option of a "pact" between the two parties where they work out which places the two parties are better equipped to stand to win and agree to not compete with each other in these seats. A "progressive coalition" if you will. That is probably unlikely though.

    With PR both left parties could stand in the same places etc as it doesn't matter if the vote is split as the voting system is proportional. If their total votes outnumbered the Tory vote they could just come to a compromise and from a coalition in Parliament. Or given how right wing some in labour are... the centre left party could form deal with the Tories and drag them away from the right of that party. Both options are preferable than full on Tory rule if you are left wing.

    Another factor is PR is better for smaller parties which stops the big ones getting complacent. See Podemos and Syrizia in Spain and Greece respectively. Although having said that UKIP have done very well in getting what they want in a FPTP system...
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    PR is more democratic than FPTP in every metric - in fact, ask most political scientists and they'll agree that FPTP is the *worst* possible voting system in terms of fairness
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    (Original post by BasicMistake)
    Both the Conservatives and Labour need to split.
    Why?

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    Didn't the SNP, UKIP and some other party's deliver a petition to number 10? I wonder if that had any affect in changing the voting system.
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    (Original post by mrITguy)
    I wonder if that had any affect in changing the voting system.
    There's an easy way to find out: ask yourself whether you have seen any evidence, or heard any news, that the voting system has changed. If not then you can safely assume there has been no change.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    There's an easy way to find out: ask yourself whether you have seen any evidence, or heard any news, that the voting system has changed. If not then you can safely assume there has been no change.
    But I thought it was on "the agenda" to be debated in parliament since they got 100 000 signatures and leaders of the party's signed it as well?

    EDIT: I just saw this http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6853811.html
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    Okay calm down OP, we can just about handle Brexit atm
 
 
 
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