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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...e-in-5-points/

    Really dispels that myth that Leave were the ones duped. Just hearing that idiot June Sarpong go on and on about Leave being lied to was making my blood boil the other night.

    It highlights the complete lack of perspective, hysteria and objectivity that is going on with some remainers, and how a self-righteous ignoramus like Bob Geldof is capitalizing.
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    This article pretty much shows why even the Conservatives felt Boris was unsuitable for office. He's not a serious political analyst, he just likes the sound of his own voice and thinks he's an entertainer:

    I looked out to see some otherwise charming-looking young people, the sort who might fast to raise money for a Third World leprosy project.

    They had the air of idealists – Corbynistas; Lefties; people who might go on a march to stop a war. And so when they started on their protest song, I found myself a bit taken aback. “EU – we love YOU! EU – we love YOU!” they began to croon. Curious, I thought. What exactly is it about the EU that attracts the fervent admiration of north London radicals? It was the first time I had ever heard of trendy socialists demonstrating in favour of an unelected supranational bureaucracy.
    These aren't the words of someone who can provide leadership to a country at a moment of crisis.
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    The idea we are going to round people up and deport them is ludicrous.
    Is that what Remainers really think we would do ?
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    Anyone on the left who voted remain is a delusional fantasist who is out of touch with the real world.

    How can a socialist accept what is happening to Greece?
    How can a socialist accept the mass unemployment in Spain?
    How can a socialist accept putting corporate interest before the interest of the people?
    How can a socialist accept the undermining of true democracy and accountability?
    How can a socialist accept the EU's handling of the migration crisis?
    How can a socialist accept the undermining of sovereignty?
    How can a socialist accept the exploitation of labour?
    How can a socialist accept an institution wastes so much money on bureaucracy as opposed to spending it on those in need?

    To be a left winger, to be a socialist, is to be at odds with the European Union and almost everything it stands for. I do not want Europe to become a United States of Europe known for mass inequality, class division, segregation, crime, violence and pandering to corporate interest.

    All of the things that make Europe great are being eroded by self serving bureaucrats and politicians with a warped ideology that only has an end goal of making themselves and the corporate elites they work with richer. I do not want a country called Europe. I do not want us to become one. I quite like Italy because it's Italy. It has an Italian culture and a different way of life. I quite like Poland because it again is very different from the UK and very different from Italy.

    Do not let that greatness, those individualities that define us be eroded in the name of corporatism. Fight for those differences and cherish them as they are the very things that define us. Its our differences that allow us to chat when we meet in bars. Its our differences that allow us to educate ourselves and learn new ways of the world. Its our differences that stop us from becoming a one dimensional collective.
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...e-in-5-points/

    Really dispels that myth that Leave were the ones duped. Just hearing that idiot June Sarpong go on and on about Leave being lied to was making my blood boil the other night.

    It highlights the complete lack of perspective, hysteria and objectivity that is going on with some remainers, and how a self-righteous ignoramus like Bob Geldof is capitalizing.
    In a way I feel sorry for you.
    You dislike the establishment and neoliberalism and that's fine, I do too. Yet you've fallen for the likes of Boris Johnson, Gove and Fox, backed by Murdoch who are hook line and sinker part of the establishment.

    Not only are they part and parcel of the establishment, but they are far more right wing, capitalist and neoliberal than the EU is.

    You claim you're *an economic leftist yet the likes of Gove, Johnson and Fox delete economic leftism. They all want to privatise parts or all of our NHS. They all believe vehemently in the free market, they are all opposed to workers unions protecting the rights of ordinary, working people.*

    Do you think now we have left the EU we are suddenly going to become a left wing country? We are a right wing country, I wish we weren't but we are. We haven't voted for a truly left wing government since the 40s and nothing even remotely lefty since the 70s.

    What saddens me is to see an economic leftist like you put all your stock in very far right wing economically neoliberals.

    You claim to be anti establishment while supporting Johnson, Gove and Fox. **
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    (Original post by MagicNMedicine)
    These aren't the words of someone who can provide leadership to a country at a moment of crisis.
    He has a point. The people protesting in London reminded me of the young deluded Germans who attended rallies to show admiration for the Nazi Party. The Hitler Youth Movement was one of the most vocal aspects of his political reach.
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    (Original post by welshiee)
    He has a point. The people protesting in London reminded me of the young deluded Germans who attended rallies to show admiration for the Nazi Party. The Hitler Youth Movement was one of the most vocal aspects of his political reach.
    Yup. And please stop regurgitating the same point, bornblue, I told you, I couldn't care a damn about the next three years. You seemingly have zero argument, other than you are scared of some economic rightists being around the next few years, so you want to stay in the EU which wil erode our control for good, just to get a more moderated government over the next few years. I've told you, this is like Marx's 'the sigh of the oppressed', it's a non-argument and monumentally short termist. We would have no decision making powers spanning into the future if your side won. It is dangerous that these youth all swallow it as a progressive cause. That's what it's all about. Stop being stupid and patronising, because you are in the sore losers brigade. You have regurgitated that point over and over as though I am unaware of it. And Gove isn't going to be PM. The EU is part of the plan to destroy the nation state.

    Don't feel sorry for me, you are still bleating the broken record Gove/Murdoch/Johnson/next 3 years argument, as you have PTSD, you are in severe denial.
 
 
 
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