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    Anyone on the left who voted remain is a delusional fantasist who is out of touch with the real world.To be a left winger, to be a socialist, is to be at odds with the European Union and almost everything it stands for. I do not want Europe to become a United States of Europe known for mass inequality, class division, segregation, crime, violence and pandering to corporate interest.

    All of the things that make Europe great are being eroded by self serving bureaucrats and politicians with a warped ideology that only has an end goal of making themselves and the corporate elites they work with richer. I do not want a country called Europe. I do not want us to become one. I quite like Italy because it's Italy. It has an Italian culture and a different way of life. I quite like Poland because it again is very different from the UK and very different from Italy.

    Do not let that greatness, those individualities that define us be eroded in the name of corporatism. Fight for those differences and cherish them as they are the very things that define us. Its our differences that allow us to chat when we meet in bars. Its our differences that allow us to educate ourselves and learn new ways of the world. Its our differences that stop us from becoming a one dimensional collective.

    Europe is great because we are different!

    Do not ever claim to be a socialist and someone who voted to remain in an institution that has contributed to thousands of deaths and economic turmoil that has led families to the brink of despair.

    Do not ever claim to be a socialist when you are willing to put your own selfish interests of going on ERASMUS placements over migrants who have been treated like pawns by the EU in its political and ideological game of chess.

    Do not ever claim to be a socialist when you are worried about your own future opportunities of being able to travel across Europe when the people of Spain have no future in their own country and the people of Greece have no future due to the austerity imposed upon them by a vulgar institution.

    To be a socialist is to care about other people. The UK used to be a nation that cared about other people and it no longer is. It is a country of entitled parasites parading as socialists whilst claiming to be marginalised to further their own ambitions and serve themselves, ironically having more in common with the Blairites they love and adore than they fail to realise. The same idiots who would drive us into another war if it meant suiting themselves and the corporates they serve, just like the vile ******* they adore so much did.



    Those who voted remain, are you happy for more Greeks to be put onto the streets by vindictive and inhumane austerity policies? Are you? If not, why did you vote to remain and vote for more of the same?



    To those who voted remain, are you happy that there's now thousands of migrants dying in capsizing boats or drowning at sea because people like Merkel invited them into Europe only to then turn around and go back on her word? Are you happy with the results?

    I voted to leave this disgusting and vulgar institution because I care. I think austerity is wrong. I think mass unemployment and division across Spain is wrong. I think the exploitation of labour is wrong. I think political elites serving corporate interest rather than the electorate they're supposed to serve is wrong.
    So next time you decide to lash out and call people racist because it allows you to shut down arguments, educate yourselves first and look at what you're voting for. Please do not profess to be a socialist or left winger when you are in fact vulgar and inhumane self servants just like the politicians who rule over us.

    To be socialist is to be someone who cares, and you most certainly do not give a **** about anyone other than yourselves. I am fed up of hearing about how YOUR future is ruined, about how you cant go study in Europe, about how YOUR life is over, when some people in Europe have no ****ing life because of that institutions very existence in the first place.

    Your sense of entitlement and the deluded 'me, me, me' bubble you live in is testament to how ****ed up British society has become as people only care about themselves and nobody else out there. I'm really sorry if you cannot go to Spain next year to study for 3 months in Malaga. I really am. It would have been wonderful for you to do so whilst young Spanish people look on in despair as they cannot get jobs, cannot afford to do anything and their parents are worried about their futures.

    I am really sorry that you cannot go on holiday to Greece so easily. Oh the inconvenience of a VISA is going to really make your life so much more ****ing terrible isn't it? What about the inconvenience of no home? What about the inconvenience of no job? What about the inconvenience of not being able to feed your children? All in the name of a sickening warped political ideology and austerity.

    Cry me a river.
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    Centre of the park, OP. Everyone wants to be a No. 10, a Mesut Ozil
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    We almost had a break on this but you brought this again :emo:
    Its alll doneeeee, results are out :erm:
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    (Original post by fatima1998)
    We almost had a break on this but you brought this again :emo:
    Its alll doneeeee, results are out :erm:
    Of course the results are out but the topic can still be discussed. Why are people claiming to give a damn about others voting for an institution that has contributed to deaths, utter despair and turmoil across an entire continent?

    What about the farmers killing themselves?

    http://www.euronews.com/2015/10/02/f...ulture-crisis/
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    (Original post by shawn_o1)
    Centre of the park, OP. Everyone wants to be a No. 10, a Mesut Ozil
    That fail though,Ozil is a number 11
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    (Original post by welshiee)
    Of course the results are out but the topic can still be discussed. Why are people claiming to give a damn about others voting for an institution that has contributed to deaths, utter despair and turmoil across an entire continent?

    What about the farmers killing themselves?

    http://www.euronews.com/2015/10/02/f...ulture-crisis/
    Thing is they are Authoritarian's. They like telling others what to do and the moment things go wrong they abandon their position and make scapegoats out of others.Its like Venezuela & Chavez. The country is in ruin because Chavez structured the whole economy on oil exports while marginalising Capitalists. Now the whole country is suffering from inflation in food prices and the moment Capitalists try and sort the problem out they are labelled as speculators & criminals.
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    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    Thing is they are Authoritarian's. They like telling others what to do
    I really don't. I honestly couldn't care less what you want to do. You can burn your house down for all I care. The problem comes about when you burn your house down and I happen to live in it too.
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    I really don't. I honestly couldn't care less what you want to do. You can burn your house down for all I care. The problem comes about when you burn your house down and I happen to live in it too.
    It's all about you, isn't it? But you're happy to live in the same house with the Greeks stuck in the other room starving and the Spanish in another room struggling to make a living? Disgusting.
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    I really don't. I honestly couldn't care less what you want to do. You can burn your house down for all I care. The problem comes about when you burn your house down and I happen to live in it too.
    Here you are acting as if you have a stake in my property and labour?This is a great example where young remain voters starting crying that older leave voters followed their own interests. Sorry but if you want something in life get off your ass and get it yourself.
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    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    Sorry but if you want something in life get off your ass and get it yourself.
    Much more difficult to do when you're not born into wealth, the NHS is crumbling and your education is **** because your government isn't funding schools properly, and unemployment is rising because employers are fleeing the country. All problems set to become worse now.
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    How is UK leaving EU going to help unemployed people in Greece?*
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    (Original post by welshiee)


    Cry me a river.
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    (Original post by TheReader)
    How is UK leaving EU going to help unemployed people in Greece?*
    It has shown the EU our discontent with the EU setup and the fact that we no longer wish to be a part of it. It could quite possibly trigger referendums elsewhere. Alternatively, the EU may wake up and rethink some of the disgusting things its currently doing but I doubt it very much.
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    Ironically the remain voters are turning a blind eye to this thread just as they're happy to turn a blind eye to what is going on in other parts of Europe. Who cares? As long as you lot can go on ERASMUS placements and cheaper holidays that's all that matters, right?

    One must remember that 'facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored' - Aldous Huxley.
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    (Original post by welshiee)
    Ironically the remain voters are turning a blind eye to this thread just as they're happy to turn a blind eye to what is going on in other parts of Europe. Who cares? As long as you lot can go on ERASMUS placements and cheaper holidays that's all that matters, right?

    One must remember that 'facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored' - Aldous Huxley.
    Absolutely agree.
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    I find threads like this rather silly.
    I wouldn't consider myself a socialist as such although I am somewhat sympathetic to socialism.

    I don't think any 'lefty', 'socialist' or any remainer who leans left like me views the EU as a socialist paradise. Far from it, in fact the EU drew huge criticism from the left for its appalling treatment of Greece and the way it has often facilitated the privatisation of public services. I would also agree that the democratic deficit is indeed something that urgently needs addressing.

    The EU has really bad parts to it, i'll admit it and so too will the majority of those on the left who voted to remain.

    So why did I vote to remain?
    Simply because I felt the alternative was worse and still do. While the EU is far from socialist, it has done some very positive things for workers rights, the very rights that our government views as 'red tape'. It has mandated minimum health and safety standards, meaning that we know anything we buy,use or eat anywhere in the EU is fit for use or consumption. It's made attempts and continues to make attempts to tackle global and continental issues like climate change and tax avoidance which we cannot do by ourselves In addition it gives us access to the Single Market, the largest trading bloc in the world.

    On the other hand, Great Britain is and has historically been a right wing, conservative country. We haven't voted for a socialist government since the 1940s. We haven't voted for anything even remotely left wing since the 1970s. Quite why people think we are suddenly going to vote in a socialist government baffles me. Instead we have a conservative party in government who are more capitalist and neoliberal than the EU itself is. Leaving the EU will not make an inherently right wing country more socialist, it will simply make it easier for governments to chip away at workers rights which the likes of Pritti Patel simply see as red tape.

    I don't consider the EU to be a socialist paradise, far from it. But on balance it was the lesser of two evils. With the prospect of at least 15 more years of a tory government and a labour party dissolving into oblivion, the EU would have at least guaranteed us certain rights which I have no confidence in the tories and UKIP upholding.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Simply because I felt the alternative was worse and still do.
    The problem there is the EU had no desire to change as it wanted to continue down the path set by the ideological needs of the few at the top. Juncker was insistent on there being no opportunity for reform or a better deal. To the contrary, we can directly influence who is in charge of our country by voting in and out governments directly. That is the difference. If the people rally behind Corbyn in preparation for 2020, unlikely due to issues within the UK itself, then there is a real chance of a democratic socialist UK that puts people before profits. If the government then does not deliver we simply get rid of them. They cannot make any excuses of being restricted by regulations or laws passed down from Brussels. They will be completely accountable.

    As for your post, thank you for at least replying and partaking in the discussion rather than hiding like a coward as many others have when faced with the truth.
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    (Original post by welshiee)
    The problem there is the EU had no desire to change as it wanted to continue down the path set by the ideological needs of the few at the top. Juncker was insistent on there being no opportunity for reform or a better deal. To the contrary, we can directly influence who is in charge of our country by voting in and out governments directly. That is the difference. If the people rally behind Corbyn in preparation for 2020, unlikely due to issues within the UK itself, then there is a real chance of a democratic socialist UK that puts people before profits. If the government then does not deliver we simply get rid of them. They cannot make any excuses of being restricted by regulations or laws passed down from Brussels. They will be completely accountable.

    As for your post, thank you for at least replying and partaking in the discussion rather than hiding like a coward as many others have when faced with the truth.
    I hope so. However I just can't see this country electing a democratic socialist government. The media forces are too strong. When you have the likes of the Mail, Sun, Express etc pumping out poison and hatred against immigrants, public sector workers, the Labour party day in day out people believe it.

    We haven't elected a socialist government since the 40s and unfortunately I just cannot see us doing so again. On the contrary I can see us electing increasingly right wing, authoritarian, capitalist governments who will make the EU look like a socialist paradise in comparison.

    If it were the case that we were inherently a socially democratic, left wing country I would want out the EU. However we are inherently a right wing conservative country and the EU in fact put restraints on the government drifting further to the right.

    I hope you're right though and that we do elect a democratic socialist government in 2020. Unfortunately, I just cannot see it.
 
 
 
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