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V1002 – Parliamentary Lying and Evidence Bill 2016 (Second Reading) Watch

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    V1002 – Parliamentary Lying and Evidence Bill 2016 (Second Reading), Aph – seconded by PetrosAC MP
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    Make lying to Parliament a Criminal offence, allow Parliament to force witnesses to give testimony and make lying or making misleading claims in a public vote a criminal offence.
    1. Definitions
      1. “Lying” is defined as the deliberate act of stating something as fact when it is known to the person stating the “fact” that it is a falsehood or the person has reasonable evidence to suggest that it might be a falsehood, either entirely or in part.
      2. “Public Vote” is defined as a referendum or a vote which elects persons to represent the public.
      3. “Public office” is defined as: Parliament, any devolved institutions National assembly, a local or county council or Unitary authority.

    2. Lying to Parliament
      1. A Person commits the indictable offence of ‘Lying to Parliament’ if he lies to:
        1. A Public Office
        2. Any Parliamentary committee

    3. Giving evidence
      1. Any Parliamentary Committee may require a person to attend to give evidence.
      2. Failing to attend a committee meeting to give evidence is the criminal offence of “Failing to provide evidence”.

    4. Lying in public votes
      1. A person commits the offence of “Lying in a Public Vote” if they:
        1. Lie whilst on a broadcasted interview or debate to do with a public vote.
        2. Personally endorse any media which contains a lie to do with a public vote.
        3. Personally endorse or make any potentially misleading media.
      2. An organisation commits the offence of “Lying during a public vote” if they endorse or cause the creation of any media which contains a lie to do with a public vote, or is misleading.

    5. Punishments
      1. A person found guilty of Lying to Parliament can be subject to the following punishments:
        1. Up to 5 years imprisonment
        2. A fine of no more than £10,000
        3. Up to A 10 year ban on working for public office.
      2. A person found guilty of Failing to Provide Evidence can be subject to the following punishments:
        1. Up to 6 months imprisonment
        2. A fine of no more than £5,000
      3. A person found guilty of Lying in a Public Vote Can be subject to the following punishments:
        1. Up to a year imprisonment
        2. A fine of no more than £5,000
        3. Up to A 10 year ban on working for public office.
      4. An organisation found guilty of Lying During a Public Vote can be subject to the following punishments:
        1. Up to a £100,000 fine for each count
        2. Up to a 2 year ban on political campaigning
      5. A registered political party found guilty of Lying During a public vote in which they are running for election can be subject to:
        1. a 1.5% reduction of votes it Received across all affected areas for the first count, and;
        2. an additional 0.75% reduction for each count after that with a maximum of a 25% reduction
      6. An official referendum organization found guilty of Lying During a Public Vote during a referendum can be subject to:
        1. A 1.5% reduction of votes it received for the first count, and;
        2. An additional 0.75% reduction for each count after that with a maximum of a 30% reduction.
    6. Commencement, Short Title and Extent
      1. This bill shall extend to the whole of the United Kingdom;
      2. This bill may be cited as the Parliamentary evidence and lying bill 2016; and,
      3. Shall come into effect immediately following Royal assent.


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    This now applies to all public office and not just Parliament.
    Harsher punishments.
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    Aph continuing his usual disdain of democracy, I'm surprised that PetrosAC even allowed this through.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Aph continuing his usual disdain of democracy, I'm surprised that PetrosAC even allowed this through.
    Again, literally wasn't even asked about this being put to vote

    I'll abstain. Generally agree with the principle but not sure on the implementation.
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    I'll vote yes to show that I believe that politicians should be held accountable for their words. Likely won't go through however, I understand why many will vote against.
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    5.5 and 5.6 are intolerable.

    As for the rest i admire the effort and intent but it's probably easier to extend laws surrounding perverting the court of justice rather than do it the way you have.

    Abstain potentially, for now a definite May.
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    Saracen's Fez, if PetrosAC was not consulted about this being put to vote, please change my vote to a nay. While I support the content of this Bill, I vehemently oppose the subversion of procedure.
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    Saracen's Fez - if what TDA says is true, please change my aye to an abstain.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Saracen's Fez, if PetrosAC was not consulted about this being put to vote, please change my vote to a nay. While I support the content of this Bill, I vehemently oppose the subversion of procedure.
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    Saracen's Fez - if what TDA says is true, please change my aye to an abstain.
    If PetrosAC wishes to he has every right to withdraw his seconding, causing the vote to be cancelled.

    Otherwise, yes, I will change your votes.
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    One Aye has been changed to an Abstain for seat 23.

    One Aye has been changed to a No for seat 43.
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    If PetrosAC wishes to he has every right to withdraw his seconding, causing the vote to be cancelled.

    Otherwise, yes, I will change your votes.
    I won't be withdrawing my seconding - the bill is likely to fail anyway.
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    The right honourable gentleman once again demonstrates his astounding ability to unite people from across the political spectrum (against him).

    But seriously, as has already been said, it's a good try - but not something I can vote for at this time.
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    Ayes to the right: 3
    Noes to the left: 28
    Abstentions: 12

    The Noes have it! The Noes have it! Unlock!

    Turnout: 86%
 
 
 
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