CB395 – Prohibition of Publicly Funded Faith Schools Bill 2011

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This is a classic bill, posted, as passed in October 2011, for the sole purpose of creating debate. The usual 6 days will be given for debate, and then this thread will be locked and the bill will proceed no further.

CB395 – Prohibition of Publicly Funded Faith Schools Bill 2011, originally posted by the TSR Socialist Party
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This Bill seeks to further the separation between the church and the state to the educational system. While we do aspire to have a system in which all faiths are honoured and respected, we believe it imperative to the multicultural society we strive to become that schools should open to all: that they must be able to incorporate students of any background or belief, and provide an environment in which such diversity can thrive. That being said, we question whether faith schools are not more divisive than diverse, and declare on these grounds that schools should not be subject to religious influence.

BE IT ENACTED by The Queen's most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Commons in this present Parliament assembled, in accordance with the provisions of the Parliament Acts 1911 and 1949, and by the authority of the same, as follows:-

1. The immediate reversion of current, and cancellation of future planned publicly funded Faith Schools

(1) All publicly funded educational institutions will hereafter be prohibited from practicing differential admissions on the basis of the religion of the student in question.

(2) For the purposes of the Act:-
A publicly funded educational institution is any school that is funded by the state and for which no fees are charged for students in compulsory and further education

(3) The Local Education Authority [LEA] will assess the syllabus and teaching methods of educational institutions to ensure that there is no overt propounding of any religious doctrine in the said institutions.

(4) The teaching of Religious Studies will remain an essential aspect of compulsory education.

2. Commencement, short title and extent
(1) This Bill may be cited as the Faith Schools Act 2011
(2) This Bill shall extend to England; and
(3) This Bill shall come into force at the start of the 2012 Academic Year following Royal Assent
(4) This Act shall be passed to the Scottish Parliament, National Assembly for Wales and Northern Ireland Assembly.
(5) Subject to changes made and affirmative votes in the relevant jurisdictions, this Act extends to England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
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Saracen's Fez I thought we had something similar recently
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Saracen's Fez I thought we had something similar recently
Not that recently I don't think.
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What a misleading bill name! It doesn't prohibit publicly-funded schools from being religious at all.

What a pity.
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I'm very skeptical of this 'classic bills' concept...
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I would prefer to have requirements to admit a minimum number from those of other faiths and none.
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I'm very skeptical of this 'classic bills' concept...
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Nay - I'm not that secular, and I doubt the Socialist Party of 2016 would submit something this radical now.
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Nay - I'm not that secular, and I doubt the Socialist Party of 2016 would submit something this radical now.
It's hardly radical. It's also a good bill albeit not going far enough.
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It's hardly radical. It's also a good bill albeit not going far enough.
In terms of the horrific layout and the content, it's bad.

Why should the government not fund faith schools? Religion is a good way of teaching children morals.
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Religion is a good way of teaching children morals.
An eye for an eye; death to the homosexual; a woman's evidence is worth half that of a man; what happens to you in this life is a reward or as punishment for what you did in a previous one. Yup, a really good way of teaching morals.
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Nay… don't agree with this bill to be honest. Although that could be bias on my part due to attending a faith school. This is very difficult though so I am feeling changeable on this. :lol:
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An eye for an eye; death to the homosexual; a woman's evidence is worth half that of a man; what happens to you in this life is a reward or as punishment for what you did in a previous one. Yup, a really good way of teaching morals.
Because that's what faith schools teach children.
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In terms of the horrific layout and the content, it's bad.

Why should the government not fund faith schools? Religion is a good way of teaching children morals.
i don't believe that faith should be forced upon children and what you are suggesting is that people need the fear of a big man in the sky to behave, and even worse that athiests are less likely to be moral.
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(Original post by DMcGovern)
In terms of the horrific layout and the content, it's bad.

Why should the government not fund faith schools? Religion is a good way of teaching children morals.
I would argue that religion can be a very partisan way of teaching morals, and can lead children not of that faith feeling excluded.
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Because that's what faith schools teach children.
That's right. Many Islamic ones teach them not to integrate with the unbelievers.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/p...-is-a-sin.html

Many teach children that evolution is nonsense, or don't teach it at all, preferring to indoctrinate creation myths into children.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...ng-threat.html

And others segregate children by sex on the grounds of the inferiority of women:

http://www.secularism.org.uk/blog/20...ous-ideologies

All in the name of superstitious belief.
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I would argue that religion can be a very partisan way of teaching morals, and can lead children not of that faith feeling excluded.
Well in the faith schools I grew up in, nobody was forced to believe, we learned from a neutral perspective and those not of the faith were welcomed.

(Original post by Aph)
i don't believe that faith should be forced upon children and what you are suggesting is that people need the fear of a big man in the sky to behave, and even worse that athiests are less likely to be moral.
No I'm not, that's a ridiculous statement. Religion can be a good tool for teaching children morals, even if they don't end up believing in it. Parents can teach children morals but by having a secondary teacher to make sure they're being taught morals and as a substitute since parents aren't always good teachers of morals or not teach it fully.
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Well in the faith schools I grew up in, nobody was forced to believe, we learned from a neutral perspective and those not of the faith were welcomed.

No I'm not, that's a ridiculous statement. Religion can be a good tool for teaching children morals, even if they don't end up believing in it. Parents can teach children morals but by having a secondary teacher to make sure they're being taught morals and as a substitute since parents aren't always good teachers of morals or not teach it fully.
Most faith schools have compulsory prayers. It's bad enough that in the uk primary schools are MENT to do Christian stuff.

Yes but if that is to be a good argument for keeping religious schools it must mean that either secular schools are worse at teaching morals, implying that the fear of God is a better motivator, or that secular people (athiests) are somehow less moral. Otherwise they are just as good as secular schools so that is not a good argument to keep them.
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Nay. Little reason to do so. I suppose that the potential extremism of students in schools is a reason for ending faith schools but there are other solutions to that.
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That's right. Many Islamic ones teach them not to integrate with the unbelievers.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/p...-is-a-sin.html

Many teach children that evolution is nonsense, or don't teach it at all, preferring to indoctrinate creation myths into children.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...ng-threat.html

And others segregate children by sex on the grounds of the inferiority of women:

http://www.secularism.org.uk/blog/20...ous-ideologies

All in the name of superstitious belief.
So out of the 6973 faith schools in the UK, according to you 93 taught bigotry as of early 2015.
So according to you 0.013% is many.
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