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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36760859

    China going to want to get power of US best ally.
    US will want to keep as closest.
    India will want to compete with USA/China for obvious reasons.
    Canada wants stronger ties.
    New Zealand/Australia wants free trade deals asap.
    ... list goes on and on

    Watch our trading with Europe slice and we'll be in the middle of dominance power fightover.
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    And in so doing, we will still have levels of immigration unacceptable to those who voted Leave because of concerns for immigration levels.

    Also, we will have to keep our regulations in line with those of the EU so we can still trade, but we will not have any say over how those regulations are made.

    Also, we will struggle to compete with the 'big boys' when China, the EU, the US, and India are countries/groupings with populations in the hundreds of millions, nay billions, and we're just 70 million.

    And there's none of what you list that we couldn't do while in the EU.

    Also 'free trade deals asap' means years.
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    I'll believe it when it actually happens.
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    (Original post by gladders)
    And in so doing, we will still have levels of immigration unacceptable to those who voted Leave because of concerns for immigration levels.

    Also, we will have to keep our regulations in line with those of the EU so we can still trade, but we will not have any say over how those regulations are made.

    Also, we will struggle to compete with the 'big boys' when China, the EU, the US, and India are countries/groupings with populations in the hundreds of millions, nay billions, and we're just 70 million.

    And there's none of what you list that we couldn't do while in the EU.

    Also 'free trade deals asap' means years.
    We will become less dependent on EU, so EU rules doesn't affect us anymore making it harder for them to make us keep it.
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    (Original post by ckfeister)
    We will become less dependent on EU, so EU rules doesn't affect us anymore making it harder for them to make us keep it.
    Wanting and achieveing are two diffeent things. Lets see it happen. In the meantime we still need to pay our bills. Trade deals cut both ways and a poor one is worse than none at all.

    Wait to see what our trade figures are for the next 3-5 years and that should tell you what the market thinks.
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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    Wanting and achieveing are two diffeent things. Lets see it happen. In the meantime we still need to pay our bills. Trade deals cut both ways and a poor one is worse than none at all.

    Wait to see what our trade figures are for the next 3-5 years and that should tell you what the market thinks.
    I'm talking about 10-20 years time.
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    (Original post by ckfeister)
    I'm talking about 10-20 years time.
    Well its all pipe dreams at the moment. By that time we should have formed closer relationships with the commonwelath id think and they cna repalce the EU according to Brexit.
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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    Well its all pipe dreams at the moment. By that time we should have formed closer relationships with the commonwelath id think and they cna repalce the EU according to Brexit.
    Well, not really idealist, the thought of thinking trading with EU will increase/stay same is just as idealist as people thinking we won't need the single market in short term.

    As we leave EU, people will become more anti-EU and get fed up, trading will decline (it already was before leaving EU, 2:1 global)U trading, so EU trading was already declining)

    The trading would go to about 30% in 7 years time after EU-UK deal, then 25% then 20% over time, that means their regulations wouldn't be worth much to us. We would end up leaving single market as it won't be worth barely anything to us if they stay as who they are, making the NEXT generation better off.

    As EU forms into a United States of Europe, Germany/France/Italy the top 10s will form, making the ranking smaller so UK would go up just by that, but will always be in top 20.

    GPD will be lower, but wages higher and specialised in a small land rather than broad range of Europe.
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    Believe it when I see it. You need to inform the City of your predictions.
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    (Original post by gladders)
    And in so doing, we will still have levels of immigration unacceptable to those who voted Leave because of concerns for immigration levels.

    Also, we will have to keep our regulations in line with those of the EU so we can still trade, but we will not have any say over how those regulations are made.

    Also, we will struggle to compete with the 'big boys' when China, the EU, the US, and India are countries/groupings with populations in the hundreds of millions, nay billions, and we're just 70 million.

    And there's none of what you list that we couldn't do while in the EU.

    Also 'free trade deals asap' means years.
    Why the pessimism? I voted remain too but now instead of whining I think we should go about mitigating the economic ramifications in a more constructive manner. Complaining isn't going to do anything, you should move on.
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    The UK will be fine without Europe
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    seeing as my trade is in the UK's largest standard export i think I'll still do ok
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    (Original post by ckfeister)
    We will become less dependent on EU, so EU rules doesn't affect us anymore making it harder for them to make us keep it.
    You want to continue trading with the EU? The products you sell to the EU have to conform to EU rules.
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    (Original post by Magnus Taylor)
    Why the pessimism? I voted remain too but now instead of whining I think we should go about mitigating the economic ramifications in a more constructive manner. Complaining isn't going to do anything, you should move on.
    Just instilling some facts and realism into the minds of those who seem to think the world works by crossing your fingers and clicking your heels.
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    (Original post by gladders)

    Also, we will have to keep our regulations in line with those of the EU so we can still trade, but we will not have any say over how those regulations are made.

    Also 'free trade deals asap' means years.
    Yet only 6% of companies trade with the EU. So those 6% can keep up with EU regs and the rest of the 94% can keep to just UK regs.

    In addition, we only have 9% of the MEPs in the EU, so how great is our influence over EU regulation really? To put this is context, the SNP have twice this proportion in parliament and how much do they get done? Not a lot!


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    (Original post by gladders)
    You want to continue trading with the EU? The products you sell to the EU have to conform to EU rules.
    What about outside EU? Wouldn't that bring EU trade down?
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    (Original post by gladders)
    And in so doing, we will still have levels of immigration unacceptable to those who voted Leave because of concerns for immigration levels.

    Also, we will have to keep our regulations in line with those of the EU so we can still trade, but we will not have any say over how those regulations are made.

    Also, we will struggle to compete with the 'big boys' when China, the EU, the US, and India are countries/groupings with populations in the hundreds of millions, nay billions, and we're just 70 million.

    And there's none of what you list that we couldn't do while in the EU.

    Also 'free trade deals asap' means years.
    In what sense? I personally believe we should get over this post-imperial thing of trying to hold sway in the world. We could definitely compete on thing like quality of life, GDP per person, reducing inequality and crime. It is a case of independence and the national, domestic interests, rather than the foolish utopian and/or imperialist war mongering nonsense on the back of America's coattails. Don't get me wrong there are people who will still want to do that, let's hope the electorate is a bit smarter this time and sees that we should have differing priorities.
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    (Original post by ckfeister)

    As EU forms into a United States of Europe, Germany/France/Italy the top 10s will form, making the ranking smaller so UK would go up just by that, but will always be in top 20.
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    Not sure that will happen. Italy already wants to leave the Euro. France is not going to go for greater homogenization IMO, they are more Euroskeptic than us. I think they may vote for independence.
 
 
 
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