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    Most men are good so this isn't a thread about men in general but a few who seem to have certain views on women and be against them, such as those who follow this 'red pill theory'. Some men have discussions online about how they should behave to attract women and they make a lot of insulting remarks (used up, old bag, baggage) which shows lack of respect for women in general. They go on about this post wall thing which states that once women get to a certain age they hit a wall, lose 'sexual power' and then men finally get the 'upper hand' meaning more options of dating. They back this up by using the evolution theory Ie men are naturally attracted to young fertile women.

    I can see how what they are saying has a tendency to happen in real life, past 40 men perhaps have more money, have a wider age range to choose from and middle aged women have let themselves go/not kept in good physical shape and so struggle to find a relationship. But from reading online 'discussions' between these men on this they make out like it is set is stone, that when they are older they will have all this 'sexual power' and finally get 'revenge' on women. In reality, although it seems to be harder for an older woman to find a date, looking around I find it depends more on the person. You get male and females who are decent people, keep in shape who are the 'sexy' type and can easily attract the opposite sex into old age then you get middle aged males and females who find it hard to get any attention.

    I don't know why these men seem so angry and make horrible remarks. As a female I got no attention at school/college, it went to all the 'pretty popular girls'. I lacked confidence and was a tomboy into sports. For a facial attraction psychology topic at college, I was rated lowest in the class for facial attraction in an anonymous 'survey' the lecturer suggested the class did on each other. Most people were given 7's and 8's. I was given a string of 4's and two 5's, lower than the teacher lol. Made me feel like crap for years. But I don't feel bitter or anger towards men nor want revenge just because I couldn't get a relationship. Nor do I go rubbing in my observation that generally women can get sex much more easily than men, at almost any age (should they want to). I just work on myself and if someone comes along then that's great lol.
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    Most men are good so this isn't a thread about men in general but a few who seem to have certain views on women and be against them, such as those who follow this 'red pill theory'. Some men have discussions online about how they should behave to attract women and they make a lot of insulting remarks (used up, old bag, baggage) which shows lack of respect for women in general. They go on about this post wall thing which states that once women get to a certain age they hit a wall, lose 'sexual power' and then men finally get the 'upper hand' meaning more options of dating. They back this up by using the evolution theory Ie men are naturally attracted to young fertile women.

    I can see how what they are saying has a tendency to happen in real life, past 40 men perhaps have more money, have a wider age range to choose from and middle aged women have let themselves go/not kept in good physical shape and so struggle to find a relationship. But from reading online 'discussions' between these men on this they make out like it is set is stone, that when they are older they will have all this 'sexual power' and finally get 'revenge' on women. In reality, although it seems to be harder for an older woman to find a date, looking around I find it depends more on the person. You get male and females who are decent people, keep in shape who are the 'sexy' type and can easily attract the opposite sex into old age then you get middle aged males and females who find it hard to get any attention.

    I don't know why these men seem so angry and make horrible remarks. As a female I got no attention at school/college, it went to all the 'pretty popular girls'. I lacked confidence and was a tomboy into sports. For a facial attraction psychology topic at college, I was rated lowest in the class for facial attraction in an anonymous 'survey' the lecturer suggested the class did on each other. Most people were given 7's and 8's. I was given a string of 4's and two 5's, lower than the teacher lol. Made me feel like crap for years. But I don't feel bitter or anger towards men nor want revenge just because I couldn't get a relationship. Nor do I go rubbing in my observation that generally women can get sex much more easily than men, at almost any age (should they want to). I just work on myself and if someone comes along then that's great lol.
    Same boat as you but a bloke. Has anything changed? Do you still struggle to attract the opposite sex?
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    Most men are good so this isn't a thread about men in general but a few who seem to have certain views on women and be against them, such as those who follow this 'red pill theory'. Some men have discussions online about how they should behave to attract women and they make a lot of insulting remarks (used up, old bag, baggage) which shows lack of respect for women in general. They go on about this post wall thing which states that once women get to a certain age they hit a wall, lose 'sexual power' and then men finally get the 'upper hand' meaning more options of dating. They back this up by using the evolution theory Ie men are naturally attracted to young fertile women.

    I can see how what they are saying has a tendency to happen in real life, past 40 men perhaps have more money, have a wider age range to choose from and middle aged women have let themselves go/not kept in good physical shape and so struggle to find a relationship. But from reading online 'discussions' between these men on this they make out like it is set is stone, that when they are older they will have all this 'sexual power' and finally get 'revenge' on women. In reality, although it seems to be harder for an older woman to find a date, looking around I find it depends more on the person. You get male and females who are decent people, keep in shape who are the 'sexy' type and can easily attract the opposite sex into old age then you get middle aged males and females who find it hard to get any attention.

    I don't know why these men seem so angry and make horrible remarks. As a female I got no attention at school/college, it went to all the 'pretty popular girls'. I lacked confidence and was a tomboy into sports. For a facial attraction psychology topic at college, I was rated lowest in the class for facial attraction in an anonymous 'survey' the lecturer suggested the class did on each other. Most people were given 7's and 8's. I was given a string of 4's and two 5's, lower than the teacher lol. Made me feel like crap for years. But I don't feel bitter or anger towards men nor want revenge just because I couldn't get a relationship. Nor do I go rubbing in my observation that generally women can get sex much more easily than men, at almost any age (should they want to). I just work on myself and if someone comes along then that's great lol.
    I don't understand where they get this from, if they're fat and ugly when they're young they're just going to be fatter and uglier when they age aren't they?
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    I don't understand where they get this from, if they're fat and ugly when they're young they're just going to be fatter and uglier when they age aren't they?
    Because some women treat them like **** and don't put out. They manipulate etc and then somehow these guys think this is their way of getting back at them lol..
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    Because some women treat them like **** and don't put out. They manipulate etc and then somehow these guys think this is their way of getting back at them lol..
    They are all a bunch of idiots, what made them think women are entitled to 'put out' for them? They aren't gods gift on earth, most of them are about as attractive as a walrus looking at them
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    Same boat as you but a bloke. Has anything changed? Do you still struggle to attract the opposite sex?
    I think I could attract if I put more effort into my socialising (I'm so bad at chit chat and have bad conversation skills) and appearance but I'm so used to and enjoy being on my own that I keep putting off this putting effort in bussiness.
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    Sounds like they're all shallow as ****... not the kind of people you want to associate with, let them stay whiny virgins forever...
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    Most men are good so this isn't a thread about men in general but a few who seem to have certain views on women and be against them, such as those who follow this 'red pill theory'. Some men have discussions online about how they should behave to attract women and they make a lot of insulting remarks (used up, old bag, baggage) which shows lack of respect for women in general. They go on about this post wall thing which states that once women get to a certain age they hit a wall, lose 'sexual power' and then men finally get the 'upper hand' meaning more options of dating. They back this up by using the evolution theory Ie men are naturally attracted to young fertile women.

    I can see how what they are saying has a tendency to happen in real life, past 40 men perhaps have more money, have a wider age range to choose from and middle aged women have let themselves go/not kept in good physical shape and so struggle to find a relationship. But from reading online 'discussions' between these men on this they make out like it is set is stone, that when they are older they will have all this 'sexual power' and finally get 'revenge' on women. In reality, although it seems to be harder for an older woman to find a date, looking around I find it depends more on the person. You get male and females who are decent people, keep in shape who are the 'sexy' type and can easily attract the opposite sex into old age then you get middle aged males and females who find it hard to get any attention.

    I don't know why these men seem so angry and make horrible remarks. As a female I got no attention at school/college, it went to all the 'pretty popular girls'. I lacked confidence and was a tomboy into sports. For a facial attraction psychology topic at college, I was rated lowest in the class for facial attraction in an anonymous 'survey' the lecturer suggested the class did on each other. Most people were given 7's and 8's. I was given a string of 4's and two 5's, lower than the teacher lol. Made me feel like crap for years. But I don't feel bitter or anger towards men nor want revenge just because I couldn't get a relationship. Nor do I go rubbing in my observation that generally women can get sex much more easily than men, at almost any age (should they want to). I just work on myself and if someone comes along then that's great lol.
    Sometimes it's extremely hard not to feel bitter as a result of negative experiences.

    Throughout my younger years girls ignored me, so I missed out on a teenage romance which left me feeling quite inadequate and lacking confidence. I then entered into a relationship for several years with an incredibly insecure, compulsive liar. Past that, within the last year I have been messed around by several women, one of whom I dated, and ignored by many others. In a small way, it is soul-destroying knowing that you have so much potential and so much to give, and being overlooked and screwed over constantly. However, unlike these men and no matter how angry I can get, I recognize that this is just an unfortunate side to life. We're not all compatible with each-other and we're bound to have many differing, poor quality experiences before we can find those great, memorable moments. A lot of these men have become so bitter that they make every attempt to justify the behaviors of others, or their own, in an effort to make them feel better about themselves.

    There is truth to what they say though. Older men generally have it better because they will usually have their act together by 30+, and all the traits that are desirable such as wealth, social status, stability etc have been achieved. In contrast, women who get hit on constantly because of their appearance will generally find this to decrease over the years because looks fade. It's a shift in balance. Non of this is an excuse to use derogatory language such as "used up, baggage" etc, but unfortunately these men have become so embittered because of their experiences that it is difficult to see what may lie ahead and the positives in a person/situation. Both genders do this to some degree; men say slut, women say ****boys to describe either gender enjoying non-committal sex, for example.

    I think it's sad that we live in a world where people can't just recognize each other for their characteristics, values etc and be content with that. For me personally, what I look for in a partner is whether or not they are someone I can talk and relate to, comfortable around, has similar values and interests to me and whom I am attracted to physically, spiritually, and intellectually. I wish there were more like that.

    Like you say though, this is only a minority of people. Plenty of others out there of both sexes who are decent, attractive, awesome people who can get dates and eventually find each-other. Honestly, I'd ignore the likes of "The Red Pill".
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    They are all a bunch of idiots, what made them think women are entitled to 'put out' for them? They aren't gods gift on earth, most of them are about as attractive as a walrus looking at them
    Don't generalise. Some women are gold diggers, some aren't. Some men are idiots, most aren't. If someone marries a guy for his money, he pays everything and she makes no contribution..shes expected to put out. Simple as that. (in their twisted minds ofc).
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    I think I could attract if I put more effort into my socialising (I'm so bad at chit chat and have bad conversation skills) and appearance but I'm so used to and enjoy being on my own that I keep putting off this putting effort in bussiness.
    I was hoping you'd say something different . Looks like I'm doomed.
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    (Original post by SpiritSharD)
    Sometimes it's extremely hard not to feel bitter as a result of negative experiences.

    Throughout my younger years girls ignored me, so I missed out on a teenage romance which left me feeling quite inadequate and lacking confidence. I then entered into a relationship for several years with an incredibly insecure, compulsive liar. Past that, within the last year I have been messed around by several women, one of whom I dated, and ignored by many others. In a small way, it is soul-destroying knowing that you have so much potential and so much to give, and being overlooked and screwed over constantly. However, unlike these men and no matter how angry I can get, I recognize that this is just an unfortunate side to life. We're not all compatible with each-other and we're bound to have many differing, poor quality experiences before we can find those great, memorable moments. A lot of these men have become so bitter that they make every attempt to justify the behaviors of others, or their own, in an effort to make them feel better about themselves.

    There is truth to what they say though. Older men generally have it better because they will usually have their act together by 30+, and all the traits that are desirable such as wealth, social status, stability etc have been achieved. In contrast, women who get hit on constantly because of their appearance will generally find this to decrease over the years because looks fade. It's a shift in balance. Non of this is an excuse to use derogatory language such as "used up, baggage" etc, but unfortunately these men have become so embittered because of their experiences that it is difficult to see what may lie ahead and the positives in a person/situation. Both genders do this to some degree; men say slut, women say ****boys to describe either gender enjoying non-committal sex, for example.

    I think it's sad that we live in a world where people can't just recognize each other for their characteristics, values etc and be content with that. For me personally, what I look for in a partner is whether or not they are someone I can talk and relate to, comfortable around, has similar values and interests to me and whom I am attracted to physically, spiritually, and intellectually. I wish there were more like that.

    Like you say though, this is only a minority of people. Plenty of others out there of both sexes who are decent, attractive, awesome people who can get dates and eventually find each-other. Honestly, I'd ignore the likes of "The Red Pill".
    I really do feel for you. Thanks for putting in so much effort in my "life is unfair" thread . Looks like we've been through similar **** No homo <3.
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    I really do feel for you. Thanks for putting in so much effort in my "life is unfair" thread . Looks like we've been through similar **** No homo <3.
    All of the homo! <3Nah, seriously Mr Stranger, you seem like a good guy with a ton of *****y experiences...like myself. Perhaps more-so, perhaps less. Don't become bitter about it, just focus on and love yourself and live your life. I promise you when you're less frustrated and happy, good things will happen.

    Annnnnnnd this is the part where I should take my own advice.
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    (Original post by SpiritSharD)
    All of the homo! <3Nah, seriously Mr Stranger, you seem like a good guy with a ton of *****y experiences...like myself. Perhaps more-so, perhaps less. Don't become bitter about it, just focus on and love yourself and live your life. I promise you when you're less frustrated and happy, good things will happen.

    Annnnnnnd this is the part where I should take my own advice.
    Life better get it's **** sorted. It's been giving us bad cards but I'm sure our struggle and suffering will result in something amazing in the future. (I hope). OP sorry for derailing your thread slightly, but it does have a significance. The type of men who think and act like this have gone through really bad experiences and unfortunately haven't been able to forgive and forget and are just bitter from them.
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    You're asking why people use terms like post-wall then admitting that it does exist in the very next sentence. Sounds like you're answering your own question.
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    (Original post by SpiritSharD)
    Sometimes it's extremely hard not to feel bitter as a result of negative experiences.

    Throughout my younger years girls ignored me, so I missed out on a teenage romance which left me feeling quite inadequate and lacking confidence. I then entered into a relationship for several years with an incredibly insecure, compulsive liar. Past that, within the last year I have been messed around by several women, one of whom I dated, and ignored by many others. In a small way, it is soul-destroying knowing that you have so much potential and so much to give, and being overlooked and screwed over constantly. However, unlike these men and no matter how angry I can get, I recognize that this is just an unfortunate side to life. We're not all compatible with each-other and we're bound to have many differing, poor quality experiences before we can find those great, memorable moments. A lot of these men have become so bitter that they make every attempt to justify the behaviors of others, or their own, in an effort to make them feel better about themselves.

    There is truth to what they say though. Older men generally have it better because they will usually have their act together by 30+, and all the traits that are desirable such as wealth, social status, stability etc have been achieved. In contrast, women who get hit on constantly because of their appearance will generally find this to decrease over the years because looks fade. It's a shift in balance. Non of this is an excuse to use derogatory language such as "used up, baggage" etc, but unfortunately these men have become so embittered because of their experiences that it is difficult to see what may lie ahead and the positives in a person/situation. Both genders do this to some degree; men say slut, women say ****boys to describe either gender enjoying non-committal sex, for example.

    I think it's sad that we live in a world where people can't just recognize each other for their characteristics, values etc and be content with that. For me personally, what I look for in a partner is whether or not they are someone I can talk and relate to, comfortable around, has similar values and interests to me and whom I am attracted to physically, spiritually, and intellectually. I wish there were more like that.

    Like you say though, this is only a minority of people. Plenty of others out there of both sexes who are decent, attractive, awesome people who can get dates and eventually find each-other. Honestly, I'd ignore the likes of "The Red Pill".

    10/10 would read again. OP, if you're male, i highly recommend staying as far away as you can from that red pill BS. It will ruin your life and self confidence.
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    I'm still not over the fact that The Red Pill isn't some sort of comedy skit tbh
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    Life better get it's **** sorted. It's been giving us bad cards but I'm sure our struggle and suffering will result in something amazing in the future. (I hope). OP sorry for derailing your thread slightly, but it does have a significance. The type of men who think and act like this have gone through really bad experiences and unfortunately haven't been able to forgive and forget and are just bitter from them.
    Ive had bad experiences too as a female and hope that eventually things will be good for me, as ive never had guys swarming round nor been given attention so its something I will never lose or miss. But I dont post a thread about all the guys who ignored me and say they will be bald used up creepy old crones in middle age as obviously not all men will end up like this, plus its bitter and nasty
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    (Original post by Silver Arrow)
    10/10 would read again. OP, if you're male, i highly recommend staying as far away as you can from that red pill BS. It will ruin your life and self confidence.
    Im female, its more likely to ruin a females confidence if anything
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    (Original post by Jebedee)
    You're asking why people use terms like post-wall then admitting that it does exist in the very next sentence. Sounds like you're answering your own question.
    No Im trying to look at different angles of their ideas andsaid that it is exaggerated based on the fact that some men will feel more valued as they age (confidence, money etc). In reality many women get relationship and sexual attention at older ages just like many men.
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    No Im trying to look at different angles of their ideas andsaid that it is exaggerated based on the fact that some men will feel more valued as they age (confidence, money etc). In reality many women get relationship and sexual attention at older ages just like many men.
    Yeah if they're hot. I've seen women who looked like crap all through their twenties and only learned how to groom and use make up in their thirties and all of a sudden get more attention. That's a minority of women though, not enough to change the general rule.
 
 
 
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