Corbyn's on the ballot Watch

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NEC have decided he doesn't need 20% of MPs to back him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36778135

Just as well because he wouldn't have had a prayer. :lol:

I presume he will soon be leader again, albeit with no actual MPs to support him. :eek4:

No matter. He can hold SWP teach-ins in the Commons Dining Room and PMQs can be taken by the Greens, LibDems and SNP. Sounds like fun. :rolleyes:
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He's bound to win because the current membership is full of the Socialist worker people who have all paid £3 to bolster the ranks. !00,000 joined in the last month.

Crazy party.
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Unless there is some secret star hiding in the wings, I don't think anyone can successfully lead the labour party. Corbyn is too divisive and the relentless hounding of his public image by the press, as well as his not being particularly charismatic/eloquent relative to others, will not make him a favourite with the general public, even if he is one with the membership. It is a shame as he seems far more principled than everyone who surrounds him. Angela Eagle also lacks charisma and leadership, her voting record is pretty shameful, she is a demonstrable u-turner/opportunist and she is just another out-of-touch New Labourer
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Well, now he's definitely going to win. Has the young vote, the Union support for the most part, and now the recent influx of members, I suspect, is going to be mostly those upset that he's being challenged.

As you said though, curious how to play out with very little MP support.
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Well, now he's definitely going to win. Has the young vote, the Union support for the most part, and now the recent influx of members, I suspect, is going to be mostly those upset that he's being challenged.

As you said though, curious how to play out with very little MP support.
I don't think the recent influx of 'members' (no guarantee they are supporters) will be eligible to vote.
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I don't think the recent influx of 'members' (no guarantee they are supporters) will be eligible to vote.
Oh really? Figured it was similar to what happened when Corbyn first won leadership and folks were signing up specifically with the intention of just ensuring they could vote for him. I'm not too well versed on how the Labour party runs though, have the rules changed?
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I do not think Labour can continue as it is. If Corbyn wins I would put the chances of a party split at 70%

It's all been leading up to this point really. Disarmament under Gaitskell, Militant, Clause 4, the Unions, Momentum, Progress, the EU. There are two very distinct Labour parties which cannot peacefully coexist and it is high time that we recognised that formally either with a resurgent SDP or a new centre party drawing on all sides of the House
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Oh really? Figured it was similar to what happened when Corbyn first won leadership and folks were signing up specifically with the intention of just ensuring they could vote for him. I'm not too well versed on how the Labour party runs though, have the rules changed?
I was going by what Eagle said on the telly on Sunday
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I LOVE IT, this is all great :laugh:

Let's sit back and enjoy the bitter campaign and then wait for the losing side (Eagle's) call for a second election because they didn't like the result and/or split into a new party.
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I do not think Labour can continue as it is. If Corbyn wins I would put the chances of a party split at 70%

It's all been leading up to this point really. Disarmament under Gaitskell, Militant, Clause 4, the Unions, Momentum, Progress, the EU. There are two very distinct Labour parties which cannot peacefully coexist and it is high time that we recognised that formally either with a resurgent SDP or a new centre party drawing on all sides of the House
I'm curious about the exact logistics of changing political factions whilst voted in as a Labour party politician actually. How do you ensure that you respect the constituent voters who voted for their MP as a labour politician? Would forming a new party require a new election? I have many questions but not many answers!
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I'm curious about the exact logistics of changing political factions whilst voted in as a Labour party politician actually. How do you ensure that you respect the constituent voters who voted for their MP as a labour politician? Would forming a new party require a new election? I have many questions but not many answers!
It's not just you, everyone is wondering what the heck is going to happen.

One possible scenario is that he wins big from the members again and then at least 100 Labour MPs basically walk out on him, declaring a new party in the Commons.

Of course, if honorable, they would then all seek re-election and there's the tricky part, because no matter how bad Corbyn is as a practical leader, there is still a lot of loyalty to Labour out there and it would probably be the case that many of those MPs would lose their seats.
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Of course, if honorable, they would then all seek re-election
Sorry, what? MPs don't need to seek re-election for changing party if they are doing so because their party has changed rather than their own politics; the idea is insulting to the electorate's intelligence. If an MP changed from the Liberals to the Tories 100 years ago then this implies a change of politics in the individual and therefore a new election is appropriate (though rarely an event), but changing from Labour to SDP because Labour has become too left-wing is an entirely different situation and indeed there is precedent with the previous Labour split for new elections not to be necessary.
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Corbyn should be fine. Nobody likes a back-stabber.
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Corbyn should be fine. Nobody likes a back-stabber.
Michael Gove is a back stabber

Angela Eagle, formally and fairly challenging her leader's position, is not
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Sorry, what? MPs don't need to seek re-election for changing party if they are doing so because their party has changed rather than their own politics; the idea is insulting to the electorate's intelligence. If an MP changed from the Liberals to the Tories 100 years ago then this implies a change of politics in the individual and therefore a new election is appropriate (though rarely an event), but changing from Labour to SDP because Labour has become too left-wing is an entirely different situation and indeed there is precedent with the previous Labour split for new elections not to be necessary.
I guess it partly depends on what the logic of the split is and how the 'breakaway' party declares itself - if they claim they are the real Labour MPs and Corbyn's lot are something else, then presumably there isn't an honour issue as such. I expect legally and in other ways that would be difficult though and I suspect they would need a new name, one Lab MP suggested 'Common Purpose' today, although of course that already belongs to another organisation. In any event, if it's a new party with a new name, it hardly boosts credibility if the MPs representing it then effectively squat in the Commons with no return to the electorate.

Like it or not, most voters voted for a party, not a person. Therefore in that case, there isn't much doubt that they should be offered a fresh chance to decide. In many of the traditional high majority Labour seats, I don't doubt for a second that Corbyn-Labour candidates would still win under a Labour ticket. Many of the defecting MPs would be from those kinds of constituencies. Therefore they won't want to stand and that will immediately make them look shabby and suspect.The truth is that Corbyn has it sewn up and although he is going to lost at least 50 seats at the next election, he will continue to control Labour and Labour will continue. Any breakaway "New SDP" will attract some support, but not nearly enough. The other parties will rush to fill the gap.
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Angela Eagle, formally and fairly challenging her leader's position, is not
Every self serving neoliberal/neocon scumbag going against Corbyn is a backstabber.
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NEC have decided he doesn't need 20% of MPs to back him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36778135

Just as well because he wouldn't have had a prayer. :lol:

I presume he will soon be leader again, albeit with no actual MPs to support him. :eek4:

No matter. He can hold SWP teach-ins in the Commons Dining Room and PMQs can be taken by the Greens, LibDems and SNP. Sounds like fun. :rolleyes:
Rigged ****

If he 'wins' again the MPS will form another party he can stay with his Union members and suck each others wrinkly winklies :lolwut:

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As much as I know Corbyn will not be able to win us a GE, I'm glad there's a strong chance it won't be Angela Eagle leading Labour. I really don't like her.
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Every self serving neoliberal/neocon scumbag going against Corbyn is a backstabber.
Come on now, he was rightfully challenged.
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Come on now, he was rightfully challenged.
No he wasn't. They should all **** off to the Tories where they belong.
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