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    **Here is is the UK welfare budget as of 14/15, which means the budget is probably very similar for 15/16, and 16/17.

    I feel most people don't even know which benefits are being claimed and aren't aware of eligibility requirements, nor sanctions. People just stay in a comfort zone of insulting what some people who claim look like, and don't realise all the circumstances within the democratic benefits system that sets UK apart from other countries who ignore civil and human rights to be helped by their government.

    Most benefits are disability, earned tax credits, and supplementing inadequate pay whilst employed or formerly employed.

    I'll list the popular ones or ones I'm aware of the most:

    -Child benefits/Child tax credits-what is your issue with people having kids?

    -Guardian's allowance-this is for people caring for children. What's wrong with that?

    -NHS travel scheme and dental care-for those who need assistance with traveling for care or to hospital or whatever. Should someone die or stay ill simply because they're currently not in a good place financially?

    -JSA/jobseeker's allowance-without it, people will be homeless whilst looking for work and skint. It's been cut massively and there are strict sanctions/penalty fees anyway. So what's the issue?

    -ESA-for disabled people still wanting to work. The problem is where?

    -DLA-for disabled people again, and you can be very young claiming it or getting it claimed for you. Any issues with the disabled, anyone?

    -Working Tax credit-ermm these people are working. Operative word, "working."

    -Pensions are a form of benefits. Any silly problems with that?

    -Sick pay-self explanatory I'd reckon

    -Maternity

    -Housing benefits-what, you want them in the streets?

    -"Return to work and in work" credit among others was stopped in like '13, so even though I know it's ****ed ppl over majorly the system is being monitored. It's not like dole is being tossed around like confetti.

    So basically what I have here is specifying some forms of benefits people claim and why anyone would have an issue with people who are working, looking for work, disabled, or wanting to take care of their kids...

    If you know anymore feel free to add to the list.

    Last thing I'll say here: granted some people don't put the money to use how you feel it ought to be, but that doesn't mean ignore people who need whichever kind of assistance.
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    Much of this is to do with the number of programmes on TV about people who claim benefits. The public are inundated with constant images and commentary about the people at the bottom of the ladder who are portrayed to be lazy, feckless and draining the benefits system.
    Fact is, there are millions of pounds of benefits left unclaimed by people.
    Example: an 83 year old neighbour of mine I popped in to check on as we hadn't seen her for a few days had no heating on and it was January. She was lying in bed covered in coats and blankets. My grandson cooked something for her and took it round. Turns out she wasn't getting her annual Winter Fuel Payment of £200+ and hadn't had it for the previous year either., and there were other benefits she hadn't claimed for.
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    With the child one I don't think you should have kids unless you can afford to look after them (this is more aimed towards the bigger families who claim it's their "right" to have a big family. Well it's right that you pay for them then.
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    I have no issue with the vast amount of benefits, as you've rightly said, they all have their reasons and uses. My only trouble with them is how difficult it can be to get them for certain people who need them. I have a couple of friends who when they were healthy, did nothing but work to support themselves and their kids, however, he ended up being struck with ME, cause her to have to work up to 4 jobs at a time for several years.. Which was fine until she had a car accident, which triggered her Fibromyalgia! They're a proud couple and don't like the idea of "sponging off the state" (their words) but needs must. However it's taken them a very long time to be able to claim what they rightly deserve, as they both outwardly look healthy. Whereas I've worked with people with "physical disabilities" in the past, back troubles and the like, who have managed to lift boxes of 20+ coats with ease, and they've been on disability benefit, because they're deemed unable to do most forms of work..

    Tl;dr, I have no issue with benefits, just how they're sometimes assessed.
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    (Original post by Seamus123)
    Much of this is to do with the number of programmes on TV about people who claim benefits. The public are inundated with constant images and commentary about the people at the bottom of the ladder who are portrayed to be lazy, feckless and draining the benefits system.
    Fact is, there are millions of pounds of benefits left unclaimed by people.
    Example: an 83 year old neighbour of mine I popped in to check on as we hadn't seen her for a few days had no heating on and it was January. She was lying in bed covered in coats and blankets. My grandson cooked something for her and took it round. Turns out she wasn't getting her annual Winter Fuel Payment of £200+ and hadn't had it for the previous year either., and there were other benefits she hadn't claimed for.
    Yea they call those telly shows poverty porn. There's no denying that undesirable people claim benefits but there can't be any denial that fairly normal people you wouldn't even expect also claim in some way, somehow, and that there would seem the stereotypical claimant who actually might not even be claiming at all. This prejudging of people is my issue.
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    Great, demographic crisis here we come!

    Houses are too expensive and careers too demanding for middle class people to have more than 1 child these days or maybe 2 if lucky.

    Someone has to be making up the numbers if the people "who can afford to pay for kids" actually can't afford to hit replacement rate.
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    Like most people (thanks to the DWP) you're confused about what ESA is. ESA is for people who are UNABLE to work due to long term illness or disability.
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    (Original post by Jackieox)
    With the child one I don't think you should have kids unless you can afford to look after them (this is more aimed towards the bigger families who claim it's their "right" to have a big family. Well it's right that you pay for them then.
    Sorry but this is such an archaic view toward big families. Where did you get that they say they're entitled?

    Also at the end of the day if they need coverage they need coverage. This "well you shouldn't have had em" attitude is just unacceptable because imagine going hospital or some public institution and the bureaucrat behind the computer tells you callously "well you shouldn't have, so bye-bye." What kind of country is that which can't even be arsed to support its own people? The 3rd world? lol And erm the only time I've a wee issue with child benefits is when they're minors but still it's better than leaving em to it on the streets with a baby crying!
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    (Original post by SmallTownGirl)
    Like most people (thanks to the DWP) you're confused about what ESA is. ESA is for people who are UNABLE to work due to long term illness or disability.
    I literally said ESA is for disability.

    And they could very well still want to work. And what is your point?

    Are they not deserving to receive help...? That's the point here.
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    (Original post by 0to100)
    Sorry but this is such an archaic view toward big families. Where did you get that they say they're entitled?

    Also at the end of the day if they need coverage they need coverage. This "well you shouldn't have had em" attitude is just unacceptable because imagine going hospital or some public institution and the bureaucrat behind the computer tells you callously "well you shouldn't have, so bye-bye." What kind of country is that which can't even be arsed to support its own people? The 3rd world? lol And erm the only time I've a wee issue with child benefits is when they're minors but still it's better than leaving em to it on the streets with a baby crying!
    I want a sports car but can't afford one. Should I be able to get government assistance to buy one?
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    Great, demographic crisis here we come!

    Houses are too expensive and careers too demanding for middle class people to have more than 1 child these days or maybe 2 if lucky.

    Someone has to be making up the numbers if the people "who can afford to pay for kids" actually can't afford to hit replacement rate.
    I really don't see what your point is. All of that you just said is dandy but how does it relate to people who have kids needing assistance sometimes?...
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    I want a sports car but can't afford one. Should I be able to get government assistance to buy one?
    Nice try but that's about your wants, not needs

    Again I specified disability and employment, or coverage whilst looking for it

    To trivialise those things and basic provisions with wanting a car isn't even baffling, it's just typical now
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    (Original post by 0to100)
    Nice try but that's about your wants, not needs

    Again I specified disability and employment, or coverage whilst looking for it

    To trivialise those things and basic provisions with wanting a car isn't even baffling, it's just typical now
    So people need children?

    And yes, its an extreme example and I completely agree there should be a safety net for people who's situation changes, but the notion that its automatic is a bit much. If you can't afford something, you don't get to have it. Personal responsibility.
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    (Original post by Xellah)
    I have no issue with the vast amount of benefits, as you've rightly said, they all have their reasons and uses. My only trouble with them is how difficult it can be to get them for certain people who need them. I have a couple of friends who when they were healthy, did nothing but work to support themselves and their kids, however, he ended up being struck with ME, cause her to have to work up to 4 jobs at a time for several years.. Which was fine until she had a car accident, which triggered her Fibromyalgia! They're a proud couple and don't like the idea of "sponging off the state" (their words) but needs must. However it's taken them a very long time to be able to claim what they rightly deserve, as they both outwardly look healthy. Whereas I've worked with people with "physical disabilities" in the past, back troubles and the like, who have managed to lift boxes of 20+ coats with ease, and they've been on disability benefit, because they're deemed unable to do most forms of work..

    Tl;dr, I have no issue with benefits, just how they're sometimes assessed.
    Your anecdotes however true or false are mere speculations. You don't know their particular situations. Disability isn't just about immobility...medical issues are vast. Also your friend said she didn't even want the benefits so how is this relevant? Again how does this debunk the fact that people need help for their specific situations.
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    So people need children?

    And yes, its an extreme example and I completely agree there should be a safety net for people who's situation changes, but the notion that its automatic is a bit much. If you can't afford something, you don't get to have it. Personal responsibility.
    What? Now you're digging. People need help for children, I put that in black and white. You want them on the streets?

    This so far has been a couple people coming by to post their cliche anecdotal peeves and annoyances with benefits and claimants, not any sufficient counter to those who need it in general lol I never said automatic anything, I said right at the top eligibility bruv...
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    The fact that the benefits system particularly at the application and assessment stage treats practically all claimants as fraudsters or fakes.

    That once on a lot of benefits the goal is to shove people off them at all costs... Inc suicide deteriorating health etc.
    Point being they don't do much to improve your life to help you so that once you come off the benefits you're able to live a better life rather than just exist.

    Other people's uneducated and media misinformed impression of benefits claimants as scroungers, druggies etc. And as far as the ones that are those types of people, society has failed them and they've fallen through the net time and time again, who're we to judge rather than limit further damage to themselves and society.
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    (Original post by 0to100)
    What? Now you're digging. People need help for children, I put that in black and white. You want them on the streets?

    This so far has been a couple people coming by to post their cliche anecdotal peeves and annoyances with benefits and claimants, not any sufficient counter to those who need it in general lol
    Some people do.

    But you need to look at the why. You're willfully ignoring that simply because you've got a bee in your bonnet for whatever reason.

    A lot of people don't need help - but still get the child benefits.
    Some people need help because they aren't sensible enough to realise they can't afford to raise a child without help.



    Now, frankly, it looks like you've just come here to spout your opinion and to ignore any comments. So I'm not going to bother engaging you anymore, you don't want a debate, you just want to shout that you're right.
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    (Original post by 0to100)
    Your anecdotes however true or false are mere speculations. You don't know their particular situations. Disability isn't just about immobility...medical issues are vast. Also your friend said she didn't even want the benefits so how is this relevant? Again how does this debunk the fact that people need help for their specific situations.
    Because when they wanted and needed them, it took them a long time to prove their eligibility. Also once, one of my ex work colleagues, was photographed by a neighbour doing some intensive garden work, he quickly had his benefits removed.. I'm not saying that people don't deserve disability benefits, as I agree, there are a lot of different reasons that people may need them, but it has been proven time and again that people will abuse the system if they can.
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    Some people do.

    But you need to look at the why. You're willfully ignoring that simply because you've got a bee in your bonnet for whatever reason.

    A lot of people don't need help - but still get the child benefits.
    Some people need help because they aren't sensible enough to realise they can't afford to raise a child without help.



    Now, frankly, it looks like you've just come here to spout your opinion and to ignore any comments. So I'm not going to bother engaging you anymore, you don't want a debate, you just want to shout that you're right.
    Anyway no one's shouting, I'm being very calm you came in my thread and posted something to me about cars and not needing children. I am entitled to disagree with. I never did anything of the sort mate, maybe it's you who's perturbed lol So if you don't wanna discuss this with me lmao bye? It's an open thread for anyone not just you. Farewell :hat2:

    On the bright side...at least all you could even barely do was take little issue with the child tax thing which actually screams your prejudicial reservations that I already addressed. :ciao:
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    (Original post by Little Popcorns)
    The fact that the benefits system particularly at the application and assessment stage treats practically all claimants as fraudsters or fakes.

    That once on a lot of benefits the goal is to shove people off them at all costs... Inc suicide deteriorating health etc.
    Point being they don't do much to improve your life to help you so that once you come off the benefits you're able to live a better life rather than just exist.

    Other people's uneducated and media misinformed impression of benefits claimants as scroungers, druggies etc. And as far as the ones that are those types of people, society has failed them and they've fallen through the net time and time again, who're we to judge rather than limit further damage to themselves and society.
    Not trying to get in your business but have you gone through this, being doubted and looked down upon by bureaucrats while claiming? I think all that is protocol, sometimes I think they're trained to be hardtoothed. Because there are some scammers but most people are actually embarrassed to turn up, on their last leg asking for benefits I agree the media does no favours, Jezza Kyle, all that. And yes at your last sentence, the end result is why homelessness increased by 300% in just 2013 I believe so I can imagine now. What happened was, benefits were cut and UC/Universal Credit was introduced and so loads of benefits were cut as my op briefed. So people who relied on support of whichever kind were left skint and evicted, homeless, eugh it was a nightmare and still is for many people. SO people say, "why don't they do better while on benefits instead of sat around collecting checks?" This shows their forgive me ignorance because the eligibility says that once they earn this much, they can't receive, and it can be by a hair (I emphasise eligibility because people daftly presume benefits are entitlements and don't know millions get turned away for whatever reason).
 
 
 
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