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    You are legitimising this persons actions by differentiating him from murderers through accepting his purported motive, shame on you. Islam did not kill anyone, an angry, hateful man did and he is a murderer. Do you really think insulting the religion of 1.5 billion people is the right thing to do?
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    Do you really think insulting the religion of 1.5 billion people is the right thing to do?
    Yes. It is. The more we criticise an ideology which is currently producing violence and terrorism on an almost daily basis, the better. You can't 'insult a religion', by the way. When an ideology produces this many bad apples, there's clearly something wrong with the orchard. There is something badly, badly wrong with Islam, and Muslims (and the regressive left and SJWs) hiding their heads in the sand over and over and over and over and over after every almost daily Islamic attack and pretending 'it has nothing to do with Islam!' simply isn't going to wash any more. This desperation to protect the image of Islam every single time innocent people are slaughtered in its name is becoming absurd and grossly offensive.
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    groups like the Front National will be offering their own solutions.
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    (Original post by Achaea)
    Yes. It is. The more we criticise an ideology which is currently producing violence and terrorism on an almost daily basis, the better. You can't 'insult a religion', by the way. When an ideology produces this many bad apples, there's clearly something wrong with the orchard. There is something badly, badly wrong with Islam, and Muslims (and the regressive left and SJWs) hiding their heads in the sand over and over and over and over and over after every almost daily Islamic attack and pretending 'it has nothing to do with Islam!' simply isn't going to wash any more. This desperation to protect the image of Islam every single time innocent people are slaughtered in its name is becoming absurd and grossly offensive.
    But the version of Islam purported bu terrorists is NOT the same to which 1.5 bn Muslims subscribe.
    You're attacking Islam as a whole, which is bigoted and unnecessary and it will cause more Muslims to feel isolated and develop extremist ideas.

    Criticise the terrorists who warp Islam and not the billion of peaceful people and / or their peaceful intepretation
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    What you're doing, ignoring the underlying motive for many of these attacks, is naïve as well as dangerous. Whether leftists admit it or not, Islam is to blame for a lot of this. Whether a minority of people act on this extreme interpretation is irrelevant, it's still Islam.
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    Well, Holande proved to be totally incapable of doing anything. Let's see what Le Pen will do when she wins in 2017.
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    I've seen this storyline played out so many times before...

    Pulp - This is Hardcore (1998)
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    You are legitimising this persons actions by differentiating him from murderers through accepting his purported motive, shame on you. Islam did not kill anyone, an angry, hateful man did and he is a murderer. Do you really think insulting the religion of 1.5 billion people is the right thing to do?
    what about the thousands of other times some scumbag did something like this having been influeced by islamist ideology - coincidence ? sticking your head in the sand tot he problems within islamic community does nothing to prevent, as we have seen over last few decades
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    But the version of Islam purported bu terrorists is NOT the same to which 1.5 bn Muslims subscribe.
    You're attacking Islam as a whole, which is bigoted and unnecessary and it will cause more Muslims to feel isolated and develop extremist ideas.

    Criticise the terrorists who warp Islam and not the billion of peaceful people and / or their peaceful intepretation
    "Islam has nothing to do with extremism, but criticising it will create more extremism". Freaking ROFL.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    What you're doing, ignoring the underlying motive for many of these attacks, is naïve as well as dangerous. Whether leftists admit it or not, Islam is to blame for a lot of this. Whether a minority of people act on this extreme interpretation is irrelevant, it's still Islam.
    Islam is not to blame for this, spout out "leftists" or "regressive liberal" all you like but this man acted on hatred and is hiding behind the justification of radical Islam.

    Take the cause of this persons actions to the source, and it will not be Islam
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    (Original post by Achaea)
    "Islam has nothing to do with extremism, but criticising it will create more extremism". Freaking ROFL.
    Never said Islam has nothing to do with extremism, but at its source, Islam is not the cause of these incidents. The eagerness of you people to put a political motive behind this murderers actions is what is most destructive. This guy is a murderer, if he gave a **** about Islam and muslims, he would not have done this
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    Islam is not to blame for this, spout out "leftists" or "regressive liberal" all you like but this man acted on hatred and is hiding behind the justification of radical Islam.

    Take the cause of this persons actions to the source, and it will not be Islam
    You just contradicted yourself, if his justification was radical Islam, then Islam did have a role to play in this. You are just doing what's been done time and time again: "this isn't Islam!". Sorry, but that won't cut the mustard any more, it's not bloody coincidence that virtually all of the most recent attacks in Europe and the Middle East have been by Muslims. You can carry on pretending to be blind if you like, but the rest of us aren't.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    You are legitimising this persons actions by differentiating him from murderers through accepting his purported motive, shame on you. Islam did not kill anyone, an angry, hateful man did and he is a murderer. Do you really think insulting the religion of 1.5 billion people is the right thing to do?
    Where are the Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Sikh and Hindu equivalents?

    Why is Islamic terrorism so much more prevalent than all of these other religions? It seems only logical to assume that there is something specifically wrong with Islam that inspires such a greater volume of terrorist related acts
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    Do you really think insulting the religion of 1.5 billion people is the right thing to do?
    if they take offense at their faith being criticised over this atrocity, done in it's name(to name just one), then YES.
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    (Original post by Reformed)
    what about the thousands of other times some scumbag did something like this having been influeced by islamist ideology - coincidence ? sticking your head in the sand tot he problems within islamic community does nothing to prevent, as we have seen over last few decades
    Causes of radicalisation originate from conflict and political unrest. That's why terrorists come from the Middle East or Tunisia, when we have Indonesia which is the highest pop Muslim in the world which has had very few attacks
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    Never said Islam has nothing to do with extremism, but at its source, Islam is not the cause of these incidents. The eagerness of you people to put a political motive behind this murderers actions is what is most destructive. This guy is a murderer, if he gave a **** about Islam and muslims, he would not have done this
    Every week or more, even every freaking day, somewhere in the world we get terror attacks and murders carried out by Islamists, endless slaughter and horror, and STILL, we get the bleats of 'This has nothing to do with Islam! The people who did it are Not Real Muslims!' Sorry, pal. It's like a broken record. No-one's buying it any more.
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    1. (Original post by ZolaCFC25)
      No. But Western intervention, and the divide and conquer of the 'Islamic world' around the world over this and the last century, is.
      unlike the colonisation by the islamic armies in the century before you mean?your suggestion this is simply sour grapes after losing a war is simplistic. millions of muslims have left the islamic world in last century to live in the west seeking a better life. actually most of that generation were not problematic. the real problems have been reinstated by the generations of last 30 years.
      (Original post by ZolaCFC25)
      Since then, the terrorist threat has moved largely to localised, home-grown, lone rangers. Why do you think that is? It's got all to do with identity, or a lack of, not really religion. They are angry and yes, it's not rational, but angry people do horrible things by joining a cult that has grown since the 1970s resistance of Soviets in Afghanistan, which incidentally was funded largely by the US.
      again another tabloid history lesson. the west saved the muslim mujaheddeen from being exterminated by the russians. they also saved muslim extinction in kosovo and bosnia.the 'home grown' islamists can come from all social stratas, from the unemployed wasters to the students with actually the world given to them on a plate. it isnt their background that drives them to make moronic decsions, its the ideology and dogma that has been drip fed into them ( though they seem to be more gullible than normal ) The muslims community seems unwilling to tackle the ideology and dogma from with their own - very few people imams or sheikhs have ever been reported leading to an arrest, hence why intelligence have to be so heavy handed and indeed western forces have travelled thousands of miles to attack islamist headquarters in their own back yard
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      '"Get a clue ffs". One thing is for sure. Your hateful response isn't doing counter-terrorism any favours. Fanatics on both sides are the problem. If you think making a any minute percentage of the quarter of the world angry is going to make for peace, rather than winning the hearts and minds, then the world has no hope.
      no the fanatics are on the islamist side. they as a by product of their madness though, will encourage support for the far-right which is a problem for all. so the solution against terrorism and spread of far right - is to robustly attack islamist ideology
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    You just contradicted yourself, if his justification was radical Islam, then Islam did have a role to play in this. You are just doing what's been done time and time again: "this isn't Islam!". Sorry, but that won't cut the mustard any more, it's not bloody coincidence that virtually all of the most recent attacks in Europe and the Middle East have been by Muslims. You can carry on pretending to be blind if you like, but the rest of us aren't.
    Nope I didn't because radical Islam is simply the veil that they hide behind. Islam is not the main cause, is there something odd about the stability of Indonesia, india, Morocco, etc, the first of which has the highest Muslim pop in the world and there are very few attacks. Hatred deriving from conflict such as the Tunisian conflict or Middle East conflict radicalised these people, not their loyalty to islam
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    retarded liberal
    One of these words is superfluous.
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    (Original post by alevelstresss)
    Causes of radicalisation originate from conflict and political unrest. That's why terrorists come from the Middle East or Tunisia, when we have Indonesia which is the highest pop Muslim in the world which has had very few attacks
    But it has had attacks
 
 
 
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