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183,000 people have joined the Labour Party in the last 48 hours. Membership now well over 500,000. Whatever you think of Corbyn he's rallied more people to join a political party than any other politician- surpassing Tony Blair in the 90's. Any other politician for any other party and that would be national news. It's not, why?
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Because the media said so. And if you want to seem politically aware and inteligent, repeat what a few newspaper columnists say.
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Those 180,000 do not represent the views of the general population. It's literally pointless him being leader because Labour have no chance of winning. It's not about whether you like the guy or even whether he is good at managing his party, if he's not electable when put in front of the general public he has no business being leader.
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Leader isn't just a title. It's a role you perform, it's a thing you do.

He doesn't.

He doesn't inspire loyalty, confidence, trust or any other key element you look for in someone who's going to manage you / a team / your coworkers / a project.

He's fine as a representative of a certain point of view, and nobody would ever deny that other people share that point of view, but he does not perform the role of leader and that's simply not good enough for the Leader of HM's Opposition.
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183,000 people have joined the Labour Party in the last 48 hours. Membership now well over 500,000. Whatever you think of Corbyn he's rallied more people to join a political party than any other politician- surpassing Tony Blair in the 90's. Any other politician for any other party and that would be national news. It's not, why?
He may well have a mandate from his party. But he doesn't have a mandate from the country (yet). The Labour MPs were elected under Milliband, not Corbyn. Some would say it speaks volumes that a leader of a party does not have the support of 3/4 of his elected MPs.

My feeling is that he doesn't have what it takes to get the whole country onside to the point that they would elect him into government. He raises valid issues whilst sort of forgetting about all the normal stuff. Yes, it is a tragedy that there is inequality, but what about the NHS or schools or crime or any of the other things that matter to the country. He hasn't said a word on those.
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That said he is popular with the grassroots. Perhaps if those Labour MPs got out of Westminster once in a while they would realise what the Labour Party is supposed to be all about. That is what Corbyn represents.
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That said he is popular with the grassroots. Perhaps if those Labour MPs got out of Westminster once in a while they would realise what the Labour Party is supposed to be all about. That is what Corbyn represents.
A minority of the population?

The grassroots are fine, but Labour needs to decide if it wants to represent the minority - and accept that it will never then get into government and possibly even miss out of being the opposition - or if it wants to adopt a more central position and actually have the ability to change things.
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(Original post by Redmonkey14)
183,000 people have joined the Labour Party in the last 48 hours. Membership now well over 500,000. Whatever you think of Corbyn he's rallied more people to join a political party than any other politician- surpassing Tony Blair in the 90's. Any other politician for any other party and that would be national news. It's not, why?
because his opposers do not want you to think he can. that includes all media that are obviously only out to serve their own purpose as big businesses.

jeremy corbyn is one of the only honest, caring politicians out there with genuine morals that are not changed by money or power. he actually wants what is best for the country and world and reflects the opinions of those who want the same. he is also intelligent, well spoken and experienced.
if those aren't things worth supporting then really, what are.
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Because the media said so. And if you want to seem politically aware and inteligent, repeat what a few newspaper columnists say.
Which newpapers? Have the daily mail been copying me again?
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He may well have a mandate from his party. But he doesn't have a mandate from the country (yet). The Labour MPs were elected under Milliband, not Corbyn. Some would say it speaks volumes that a leader of a party does not have the support of 3/4 of his elected MPs.

My feeling is that he doesn't have what it takes to get the whole country onside to the point that they would elect him into government. He raises valid issues whilst sort of forgetting about all the normal stuff. Yes, it is a tragedy that there is inequality, but what about the NHS or schools or crime or any of the other things that matter to the country. He hasn't said a word on those.
the facts that he doesn't have a lot of support from said MPs shows volumes about them, not Jeremy Corbyn.
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I somehow don't think all those people joined because of his leadership skills, it's because of "ideals he has".

If he was a leader, he'd be leading his party. Instead, ianne Abbott voted 40 times: Dianne Abbott voted 40 times only 40 people in his party have confidence in him as a leader.
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Leader isn't just a title. It's a role you perform, it's a thing you do.

He doesn't.

He doesn't inspire loyalty, confidence, trust or any other key element you look for in someone who's going to manage you / a team / your coworkers / a project.

He's fine as a representative of a certain point of view, and nobody would ever deny that other people share that point of view, but he does not perform the role of leader and that's simply not good enough for the Leader of HM's Opposition.
I suppose that's your opinion, but what are you basing this on?

Labour has achieved tremendous amounts under his leadership, for example, a huge rise in membership, four mayoral posts, victory in the lords on tax credits and defending disabled people against cuts to PIP payments.

Imagine how much more he could achieve if he didn't have to face so much bullying from the media etc!

AND despite having to pay £25 to join labour, people still signed up! I couldn't even imagine people going out of their way and pocket to have done that more Cameron/May.
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Those 180,000 do not represent the views of the general population. It's literally pointless him being leader because Labour have no chance of winning. It's not about whether you like the guy or even whether he is good at managing his party, if he's not electable when put in front of the general public he has no business being leader.
Corbyn has drawn hundreds of thousands of new members to the party. Those now 600,000 Labour members are going to be a force to be reckoned with at the next general election. Labour will have the manpower to get their message to the electorate with or without media support. No other party will have that and Labour certainly didn't have it at the last election.
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Labour cannot win a general election without a Blairite leader, because this country will never be as far-left as Corbyn is (a sad truth).
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Corbyn is only looking unelectable because of his traitorous MP's. It's self-fulfilling prophecy at work, here.
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I suppose that's your opinion, but what are you basing this on?

Labour has achieved tremendous amounts under his leadership, for example, a huge rise in membership, four mayoral posts, victory in the lords on tax credits and defending disabled people against cuts to PIP payments.

Imagine how much more he could achieve if he didn't have to face so much bullying from the media etc!

AND despite having to pay £25 to join labour, people still signed up! I couldn't even imagine people going out of their way and pocket to have done that more Cameron/May.
I've spent a long time studying leadership and management, being taught how to conduct myself, how to manage others, how to lead a team. I know Corbyn would fail such a course.

All those achievements have nothing to do with Corbyn. The Lords has nothing to do with him - they all hate him too - and the Labour Leader in the Lords came out publicly only yesterday to tell him to stop using their achievements to back him up - because he had nothing to do with them.

The rise in membership is largely meaningless. They're losing support hand over fist across the country - they have no chance of winning a General Election. And a large percentage of that membership will have joined for precisely that reason, to guarantee a Corbyn-lead Labour loses the next election.

As for the bullying, tough. If you're in the public eye these days you get bullied. That's just the way it is. If you can't handle that, if you don't like it, then don't do it. I'm not saying it's right, but it is the same for everyone.

Ultimately, if you want Corbyn in charge, that's fine. But you have to accept that with Corbyn / someone with Corbyn's politics in charge of the party it'll never again achieve power. Now, if the left want to live up to their stereotype of preferring to moan rather than do, that's fine, but I think an awful lot more actually want the chance to change something. Corbyn stops that.
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Corbyn is an embarassment. All of those members who joined when membership was £3 were nothing but a bunch of socialist free loaders who want to hijack the party. Socialism has no place in this country at the level these people want it. Remember the 1970's. New Labour had struck a balance which made sense for a while but then they went a bit too far. Corbyn has to go
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Corbyn has drawn hundreds of thousands of new members to the party. Those now 600,000 Labour members are going to be a force to be reckoned with at the next general election. Labour will have the manpower to get their message to the electorate with or without media support. No other party will have that and Labour certainly didn't have it at the last election.
But that support is insignificant when compared to the electorate as a whole, in that it won't shift the balance of power. No matter how you try to spin it, the overall electorate is no where near as left wing as Corbyn is so he can't possibly win. It doesn't matter how readily you can get your message out, if most of the population disagree with the message in the first place it will be ineffective at converting a significant enough number of people to sway the election in Labour's favour. If Labour want a chance at winning then they have to move their platform more towards the right, regardless of whether the die-hard Corbynites want to or not. Surely you'd prefer a chance to actually get in office and implement right-of-Corbyn but left-of-Tory policies than another Tory majority government, particularly one as right-wing as May's cabinet?
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the facts that he doesn't have a lot of support from said MPs shows volumes about them, not Jeremy Corbyn.
Well yes and no. MPs are elected by the general public. Corbyn has been voted in by his party. How is Corbyn to achieve his mandate one way or another without the support of his fellow MPs? The point is that he has split his party. The Tory party were unelectable for 13 odd years. I fear Labour are going that same way.
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183,000 people have joined the Labour Party in the last 48 hours. Membership now well over 500,000. Whatever you think of Corbyn he's rallied more people to join a political party than any other politician- surpassing Tony Blair in the 90's. Any other politician for any other party and that would be national news. It's not, why?
Parties don't win elections by rallying their membership. Congrats he's mobilised less than a 1% of the voting public, what about the rest? Labour is behind the tories in the polls despite their leader stepping down and a new pm back tracking on their key commitments. So far all he has succeeded in doing is dividing labour and making its opposition ineffective.

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