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    Specifically, third wave feminism. Obviously we are yet to achieve complete gender equality, but many modern feminist's claims that women are 'oppressed' are absurd. The 'pay gap' has yet to be proven. The admirable battles for the vote and equal opportunity which came with first and second wave feminism have been replaced with an incoherent, man-hating stereotype which makes me refuse to identify as a feminist today.The association feminism has with 'body positivity' is also alarming; no one should be shamed for the way they look under any circumstances, but to praise and accept someone who is clearly unhealthy (be it underweight or overweight) is immoral. It is just as damaging to have severely underweight models in the media as it is to have severely overweight ones, but many modern feminists would endorse the second as 'self-image positivity.'
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    It is still needed as females with views some males disagree with get death and rape threats. It is still needed as in cases like Ched Evans, a bunch of people just assume the girl involved is a "gold digging ****" and Evans must be innocent as he is good at kicking a ball - which has caused the victim to have to move constantly. Or in the Adam Johnson case people criticise the 15 year old for "knowing what she was doing". Johnson knowingly slept with a 15 year old cheating on his pregnant girlfriend and people still defend him as the underage girl must have been doing it for money.*
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    Feminism is still needed as when the studio found out Emily Blunt was going to be the female lead in Sicario, it got half the budget the same movie with a male lead would as they assumed less people would go to see a female lead action film. It is still needed as sexism still exists in the country. *
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    You said it yourself - we haven't achieved complete gender equality. There are issues where you will receive a rawer deal purely because you are a women - something you have no choice in. Female rape victims are still criticised by the press for what they wore and drank and females are judged more for their actions than men. Yes they have the vote and it is better than it was before. But better does not mean it is all fine. The fact women receive less sexist treatment does not change the fact women still receive sexist treatment.*
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    Honestly the women hating men stereotype seems overplayed, like how you always hear about plane crashes but not all the successful landings. Yes there are other major issues and yes a few feminists take silly issues over trivial things but that doesn't change the fact feminism is still an issue that needs discussing. Look at the rise of the right wing in the UK and USA - we are seeing how many people have worrying views under the surface. Just because the issue appears resolved under the surface doesn't mean women don't suffer a unacceptable amount of sexism.*
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    (Original post by elitepower)
    It is still needed as females with views some males disagree with get death and rape threats. It is still needed as in cases like Ched Evans, a bunch of people just assume the girl involved is a "gold digging ****" and Evans must be innocent as he is good at kicking a ball - which has caused the victim to have to move constantly. Or in the Adam Johnson case people criticise the 15 year old for "knowing what she was doing". Johnson knowingly slept with a 15 year old cheating on his pregnant girlfriend and people still defend him as the underage girl must have been doing it for money.*
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    Feminism is still needed as when the studio found out Emily Blunt was going to be the female lead in Sicario, it got half the budget the same movie with a male lead would as they assumed less people would go to see a female lead action film. It is still needed as sexism still exists in the country. *
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    You said it yourself - we haven't achieved complete gender equality. There are issues where you will receive a rawer deal purely because you are a women - something you have no choice in. Female rape victims are still criticised by the press for what they wore and drank and females are judged more for their actions than men. Yes they have the vote and it is better than it was before. But better does not mean it is all fine. The fact women receive less sexist treatment does not change the fact women still receive sexist treatment.*
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    Honestly the women hating men stereotype seems overplayed, like how you always hear about plane crashes but not all the successful landings. Yes there are other major issues and yes a few feminists take silly issues over trivial things but that doesn't change the fact feminism is still an issue that needs discussing. Look at the rise of the right wing in the UK and USA - we are seeing how many people have worrying views under the surface. Just because the issue appears resolved under the surface doesn't mean women don't suffer a unacceptable amount of sexism.*
    Everyone I know who heard about the Adam Johnson case certainly did not think in any way the girl was at fault, and if they did, their thinking would be against the law. It is never a woman's fault why she is raped, certainly, but alcohol influences everyone's actions. If you choose to excessively drink without anyone to look out for you, you are putting yourself at danger of rape, robbery, even assault. It is common sense to be accompanied by someone when you are heavily drinking. The incident you mentioned with the female lead is irrelevant. If statistically a female lead gets less money at the box office it would make business sense to reduce the budget. You also fail to mention other factors that come into account that would make films with a female lead less popular.
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    I believe that there is, I personally don't think there is anything wrong with talking about issues that western women may face but I also don't like it when western feminists place the emphasis on women rights on them alone. It's a hundrend times worse in other parts of the world but yet many don't feel the need to speak against it.
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    absolutely not - if anything we need mens rights activism. and I'm not talking about culture, I'm talking about the government and the law. men are discriminated against in terms of the retirement age, parental leave time, domestic abuse shelter funding (per facility, not the number of facilities), family law (child custody ,child support, etc), reproduction (men are forced, for 18 years, to pay for a potential child that they didn't intend to have, whereas women aren't - and yes there is an easy solution to this - opt outs post-impregnation), family law again (divorce, alimony, etc), male circumcision legality, de facto prison sentencing, sexual harassment or violence defences, etc. the only thing women are discriminated upon are 1) nudity (they're not allowed to go topless like men) and 2) not being sent to the front lines in the military (oh dear god, what an absolute deprivation!)
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    (Original post by upperechelon)
    Everyone I know who heard about the Adam Johnson case certainly did not think in any way the girl was at fault, and if they did, their thinking would be against the law. It is never a woman's fault why she is raped, certainly, but alcohol influences everyone's actions. If you choose to excessively drink without anyone to look out for you, you are putting yourself at danger of rape, robbery, even assault. It is common sense to be accompanied by someone when you are heavily drinking. The incident you mentioned with the female lead is irrelevant. If statistically a female lead gets less money at the box office it would make business sense to reduce the budget. You also fail to mention other factors that come into account that would make films with a female lead less popular.
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    People you know might not have, but put Adam Johnson or Ched Evans into twitter and you can read all their supporters. The fact so many people are willing to defend them on social media proves feminism is needed.
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    People should be careful but rape cases see the women criticised and men let off the hook. Like how the Stanford case described the rapist as a star swimmer in all the newspaper titles and focused on how it impacted him. *
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    The fact is, in various cases, the automatic reaction by a lot of people is the men is fine, the women is in the wrong. Rape cases go to women "why weren't you more careful?" instead of why the men are raping. Footballers are constantly forgiven if they cheat - the women are seen as gold diggers and after money. **
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    Lot's of women going to University (more so than men), doing a lot of largely useless degrees and then demanding they have the same income/wealth as their male counterparts.

    A lot of these women are now realising they're ruining their own SMV (sexual market value) by being this dominating angry young woman. Further diminishing their chances of marrying an alpha male provider.
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    (Original post by elitepower)
    It is still needed as females with views some males disagree with get death and rape threats. It is still needed as in cases like Ched Evans, a bunch of people just assume the girl involved is a "gold digging ****" and Evans must be innocent as he is good at kicking a ball - which has caused the victim to have to move constantly. Or in the Adam Johnson case people criticise the 15 year old for "knowing what she was doing". Johnson knowingly slept with a 15 year old cheating on his pregnant girlfriend and people still defend him as the underage girl must have been doing it for money.*
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    Feminism is still needed as when the studio found out Emily Blunt was going to be the female lead in Sicario, it got half the budget the same movie with a male lead would as they assumed less people would go to see a female lead action film. It is still needed as sexism still exists in the country. *
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    You said it yourself - we haven't achieved complete gender equality. There are issues where you will receive a rawer deal purely because you are a women - something you have no choice in. Female rape victims are still criticised by the press for what they wore and drank and females are judged more for their actions than men. Yes they have the vote and it is better than it was before. But better does not mean it is all fine. The fact women receive less sexist treatment does not change the fact women still receive sexist treatment.*
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    Honestly the women hating men stereotype seems overplayed, like how you always hear about plane crashes but not all the successful landings. Yes there are other major issues and yes a few feminists take silly issues over trivial things but that doesn't change the fact feminism is still an issue that needs discussing. Look at the rise of the right wing in the UK and USA - we are seeing how many people have worrying views under the surface. Just because the issue appears resolved under the surface doesn't mean women don't suffer a unacceptable amount of sexism.*
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    (Original post by elitepower)
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    People you know might not have, but put Adam Johnson or Ched Evans into twitter and you can read all their supporters. The fact so many people are willing to defend them on social media proves feminism is needed.
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    People should be careful but rape cases see the women criticised and men let off the hook. Like how the Stanford case described the rapist as a star swimmer in all the newspaper titles and focused on how it impacted him. *
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    The fact is, in various cases, the automatic reaction by a lot of people is the men is fine, the women is in the wrong. Rape cases go to women "why weren't you more careful?" instead of why the men are raping. Footballers are constantly forgiven if they cheat - the women are seen as gold diggers and after money. **
    In my opinion, it is rape that is the problem, not gender equality. For example, no one talks about men getting raped. There is stigma and shame attached to male victims of rape, even moreso than female victims. Even British law requires 'penal penetration' to be a necessity of rape; therefore refusing to acknowledge that women are able to rape men. Yes men raping women is an issue. But most people don't even know that women can rape men.
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    (Original post by Bill_Gates)
    Lot's of women going to University (more so than men), doing a lot of largely useless degrees and then demanding they have the same income/wealth as their male counterparts.

    A lot of these women are now realising they ruining their own SMV (sexual market value) by being this dominating angry young woman. Further diminishing their chances of marrying an alpha male provider.
    This is one of the reasons of the so called 'pay gap'; women not choosing STEM/in demand degrees in favour of 'Gender Studies' and then complaining why they earn less than the average man. It is about degree choice, not sexism.
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    I'm english actually but thanks for your great input, oh wise one. Your great replies honour us, moron. **

    (Original post by upperechelon)
    In my opinion, it is rape that is the problem, not gender equality. For example, no one talks about men getting raped. There is stigma and shame attached to male victims of rape, even moreso than female victims. Even British law requires 'penal penetration' to be a necessity of rape; therefore refusing to acknowledge that women are able to rape men. Yes men raping women is an issue. But most people don't even know that women can rape men.
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    I do think there are also issues with how society places demands on men so there being a stigma about being seen as weak so not getting male domestic abuse and male rape being discussed seriously. *
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    However this doesn't reduce the need for feminism in the world. In relationships women are judged for their actions more than men. When footballers and celebrities cheat, it is the women. Even in cases like Amber Herd, the initial response by a lot of people is to not take the women seriously & question her motives. Then there is stuff like honour killing and women in films and the list goes on and on. *
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    To sum up, feminism is needed as a bunch of stuff happens to women purely because they are women. Yes men have problems too, yes women in the UK are treated better than before but that doesn't mean major issues still don't exist. Until those issues are dealt with then feminism will be needed. *
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    If you don't like thinking about feminism, just view it as several different issues effecting society that needs addressing. *
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    Obviously we do. Women are obviously not liberated in the west, we still can't show our nipples in public (unlike men) and we are paid 90p to a man's pound (obviously things like different career choices and hours worked are irrelevant). Unfortunately some women don't see any problems and don't identify as a feminist, their internalised misogyny is to blame for that - we still live in a very sexist and problematic world. Women are still very much sex objects and must have the perfect bodies when there is health at all sizes. I'm terrified because we live in a rape culture, so I need feminism to protect me from rape. Oh and Christians are terrible people, they protest against gay marriage, how dare someone protest!

    I think that feelings are more important than facts, we should allow people to feel safe, which is why every university should be a safe space. So we shouldn't say negative things abut Islam as Islam is a religion of peace, and it actually liberates women as Mohammed (the prophet) was a feminist himself. We need to police language because God forbid we were allowed to critisise minorities (like people of colour, LGBTQIA+ people, immigrants, muslims etc.) we need to ensure political correctness and social justice always. And of course anyone who disagrees is a racist sexist homophobic bigoted pig who should check their privilege (because they're probably a white cisgendered hetero male...they're all scum!).

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    (Original post by elitepower)
    It is still needed as females with views some males disagree with get death and rape threats. It is still needed as in cases like Ched Evans, a bunch of people just assume the girl involved is a "gold digging ****" and Evans must be innocent as he is good at kicking a ball - which has caused the victim to have to move constantly. Or in the Adam Johnson case people criticise the 15 year old for "knowing what she was doing". Johnson knowingly slept with a 15 year old cheating on his pregnant girlfriend and people still defend him as the underage girl must have been doing it for money.*
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    Feminism is still needed as when the studio found out Emily Blunt was going to be the female lead in Sicario, it got half the budget the same movie with a male lead would as they assumed less people would go to see a female lead action film. It is still needed as sexism still exists in the country. *
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    You said it yourself - we haven't achieved complete gender equality. There are issues where you will receive a rawer deal purely because you are a women - something you have no choice in. Female rape victims are still criticised by the press for what they wore and drank and females are judged more for their actions than men. Yes they have the vote and it is better than it was before. But better does not mean it is all fine. The fact women receive less sexist treatment does not change the fact women still receive sexist treatment.*
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    Honestly the women hating men stereotype seems overplayed, like how you always hear about plane crashes but not all the successful landings. Yes there are other major issues and yes a few feminists take silly issues over trivial things but that doesn't change the fact feminism is still an issue that needs discussing. Look at the rise of the right wing in the UK and USA - we are seeing how many people have worrying views under the surface. Just because the issue appears resolved under the surface doesn't mean women don't suffer a unacceptable amount of sexism.*
    That is just hyperbole. Sexism does exist, but men tend to be treated much harsher in life than women. Women get a free pass in a lot of ways.
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    (Original post by YaliaV)
    That is just hyperbole. Sexism does exist, but men tend to be treated much harsher in life than women. Women get a free pass in a lot of ways.
    That is a pretty bold claim.*
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    In some ways men do have issues - we have brought up the lack of conversation about male rape and abuse. However women face plenty of issues too. Maybe we shouldn't differentiate and get around to handling these issues instead of discussing who is worse off? *
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    (Original post by elitepower)
    That is a pretty bold claim.*
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    In some ways men do have issues - we have brought up the lack of conversation about male rape and abuse. However women face plenty of issues too. Maybe we shouldn't differentiate and get around to handling these issues instead of discussing who is worse off? *
    There is no men's movement that is taken seriously. Feminism places female issues well above men's issues. Feminists actually deride men's issues and belittle them. Third wave feminism has to make up issues like mansplaining, manspreading and sexist air conditioning because women in the west are largely equal.
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    Well, there are a lot of men that think it's okay to rape women if they're underdressed or something, because they were "asking for it." I'd say that calls for feminism. I have a really low opinion of men who say things like "Not no means yes."

    I would say those are the main issues remaining for feminists to tackle. Along with getting more women to go into STEM fields.

    But really, I think feminism should be focusing on non-Western societies where women's status is much worse.
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    OK, here's how this works.Through decades of feminism, PC, SJW's & their mangina, white knight allies, you get a culture of #killallmen (which I thought WAS hate crime) boys bad, girls good. 1 women gets raped, ALL women are victims & ALL men are rapists mentality thing going.

    Then you send ONLY men to die in warfare, dirty, dangerous, toxic fume fill jobs, which leaves more females in the country than men. You give women all the rights & privileges of men, including the right to vote but without any of the responsibilities of men, at a time when over half of men DID NOT have the right to vote, even with ALL the responsibilities on their shoulders.

    Over time a leftist government (thanks to women) is formed. This in turn brings about a policy of mass immigration of a culture & religion that does not embrace feminist thinking thus setting in motion a clash of civilisations.

    Now, humans always have been & always will be tribal, this is a historical & biological fact. Unfortunately, due to the feminist society we live in today. Were men are shamed for their masculinity & women are hailed as empowered for their sexual exploits & false allegations against (not all but most) men & boys.

    We find that men are so emasculated by females that the men are no longer CAPABLE of defending the tribe from an invading tribe. It is MOSTLY females holding signs & posters that are calling for the welcoming of millions of foreign tribesmen that will only lead to those very women having all & any rights that are as of today afforded to them & the very society they claim to love being taken away by force at the hands of the very hordes they wish to welcome.

    I can NOT make this more clear. In the end it will be the very men you call rapist, woman beater, child abuser, pedophile, creepy among other names, with the sole purpose of shaming the men that have & still do provide women with all they love most. Your freedoms, your safety, your air-con in your place of work. The very civilisation that MEN built, maintain & STILL to this day fight & die to protect in their thousands & at one time in their millions WILL be lost if the leftists are not put in check.

    You are inviting the very rape culture you so aggressively & falsely accuse western men of & YOU are so intelligently void that you can't even see it. Or maybe you can & that's what you want or to admit it is to admit feminist & SJW's were wildly wrong & you (women) were lied to. I don't know.When this is over, do you really think that any man would give ANY women, SJW, manginas or white knights the time of day or will they be treated with the contempt they deserve? It comes down to this.

    Women can only have as much freedom as they're men can give them (in terms of protection). Yeah yeah, sexist. What ever. Good luck fighting off those hordes without your manginas & white knights because when it kicks off & it will, those guys won't be within 100 miles of a women.

    I know it's hard to hear but there you have it.

    How the downfall of civilisations happen.

    Just look through all of history.
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    (Original post by elitepower)
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    I'm english actually but thanks for your great input, oh wise one. Your great replies honour us, moron. **

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    I do think there are also issues with how society places demands on men so there being a stigma about being seen as weak so not getting male domestic abuse and male rape being discussed seriously. *
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    However this doesn't reduce the need for feminism in the world. In relationships women are judged for their actions more than men. When footballers and celebrities cheat, it is the women. Even in cases like Amber Herd, the initial response by a lot of people is to not take the women seriously & question her motives. Then there is stuff like honour killing and women in films and the list goes on and on. *
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    To sum up, feminism is needed as a bunch of stuff happens to women purely because they are women. Yes men have problems too, yes women in the UK are treated better than before but that doesn't mean major issues still don't exist. Until those issues are dealt with then feminism will be needed. *
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    If you don't like thinking about feminism, just view it as several different issues effecting society that needs addressing. *
    Your profile picture is cultural appropriation then, and its inherent racism is triggering me.

    So is your overuse of the asterisk.
 
 
 
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