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    Besides people who hate him, ideologically, based on economic leftism and the hatred of socialists, does anyone really believe all this transparent spin? I would believe he was planning an attack on Israel, while worshipping a shrine of Stalin, and planning the mass intimidation of women, if I swallowed the media crap. This is such utterly disingenuous shameful crap, from the near-exclusively Blairite neoliberal media, about a decent, honest person. And it has sod all to do with where on the political spectrum you are. It is utterly unprincipled and foolish, to advocate such things because of where you stand on politics, because it just encourages things that come back around and debase our debate and country. We used to be an adult nation, an intelligent one that believed in objective thought, now there are so many propagandized shills bleating out he latest received wisdom from on high, or the latest contrived smear campaign and media shitstorm. I will not, as a free thinking person from what always was a free country, accept this or validate it, and neither should other free thinking liberty lovers. I will not live in a country of thought crimes and propagandizing. And while we are at it, what is with the idiots who don't even vote Labour adding to the problem by insisting that we go back to the oppressive, undemocratic consensus of the last 20years and Labout moves to the near exact policy oft he Tories again. Any person with more than a few brain cells knows you should not be determined to narrow the political divide between opposition parties, as it is inherently unhealthy and undemocratic for the country, and gives us a political paradigm ripe for cynicism and self-interested self-satisfaction. It actively validates career politicians who are smug and contemptuous of the public, to the exclusion of people who you may not agree with, but go against the grain out of genuine moral convictions. Isn't it obvious how pernicious this is? I look at the people who want to obliterate Galloway for exposing the war lies, the David Kelly scenario, to obliterate Farage for even talking about limits on immigration or a choice in EU membership, to obliterate any Labour leader who tries to address the inequality crisis, and how the people serve the corporations not vice versa, and I dismay. I don't care a damn about PC, or where on the spectrum you are. But such people are enemies of democracy, liberty and free thought. They genuinely want a 100% neo-liberal stitch up of no electoral choice and the propagandizing of, and hatred of, any 'dissenters', aided by a government media with naturally similar leanings.
    Many get knee jerk aggression towards people, or show the beginning of totalitarian-like reactions and vitriol is whipped up. I wish we would take a step back a nd think about our liberty, freedom of thought, how we were a nation that respected individuals going against the grain, and eccentricity, and our precious our traditions and instincts were that made us the most successful democracy on earth and kept us questioning and form descending into the moral squalor and total inhumanity of European fascism. I sometimes think if we taught more real history(and maybe there is an element of how a new 'diverse'(though not in thought it often seems)UK, that we cannot do it fully)that we might see the great figures in our history, from Burke to the founding fathers, who made us what we are, and maybe gain a view of how they would be spinning in their graves at our governance and political debate.

    This came off the top of my head but I really do think we've declined tragically, and I am becoming aware of how pernicious our debate is and how much I am being propagandized. We as people need to use our own faculties, and actively oppose consuming everything from the same media, and remain healthily ware of their propagandizing and keep our objectivity. We need to do things on rationality, not on fervour or claiming the fake, manipulated moral high ground. We need to question opinion, authority, why and how it could be influenced, and some more complex reasons why they may want you to believe it. We need to hone our sense to lack of objectivity and not consume or tolerate it. It may well be the future of our democracy is at stake.
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    "Off the top of my head"my hirsute sphincter
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    Besides people who hate him, ideologically, based on economic leftism and the hatred of socialists, does anyone really believe all this transparent spin? I would believe he was planning an attack on Israel, while worshipping a shrine of Stalin, and planning the mass intimidation of women, if I swallowed the media crap. This is such utterly disingenuous shameful crap, from the near-exclusively Blairite neoliberal media, about a decent, honest person. And it has sod all to do with where on the political spectrum you are. It is utterly unprincipled and foolish, to advocate such things because of where you stand on politics, because it just encourages things that come back around and debase our debate and country. We used to be an adult nation, an intelligent one that believed in objective thought, now there are so many propagandized shills bleating out he latest received wisdom from on high, or the latest contrived smear campaign and media shitstorm. I will not, as a free thinking person from what always was a free country, accept this or validate it, and neither should other free thinking liberty lovers. I will not live in a country of thought crimes and propagandizing. And while we are at it, what is with the idiots who don't even vote Labour adding to the problem by insisting that we go back to the oppressive, undemocratic consensus of the last 20years and Labout moves to the near exact policy oft he Tories again. Any person with more than a few brain cells knows you should not be determined to narrow the political divide between opposition parties, as it is inherently unhealthy and undemocratic for the country, and gives us a political paradigm ripe for cynicism and self-interested self-satisfaction. It actively validates career politicians who are smug and contemptuous of the public, to the exclusion of people who you may not agree with, but go against the grain out of genuine moral convictions. Isn't it obvious how pernicious this is? I look at the people who want to obliterate Galloway for exposing the war lies, the David Kelly scenario, to obliterate Farage for even talking about limits on immigration or a choice in EU membership, to obliterate any Labour leader who tries to address the inequality crisis, and how the people serve the corporations not vice versa, and I dismay. I don't care a damn about PC, or where on the spectrum you are. But such people are enemies of democracy, liberty and free thought. They genuinely want a 100% neo-liberal stitch up of no electoral choice and the propagandizing of, and hatred of, any 'dissenters', aided by a government media with naturally similar leanings.
    Many get knee jerk aggression towards people, or show the beginning of totalitarian-like reactions and vitriol is whipped up. I wish we would take a step back a nd think about our liberty, freedom of thought, how we were a nation that respected individuals going against the grain, and eccentricity, and our precious our traditions and instincts were that made us the most successful democracy on earth and kept us questioning and form descending into the moral squalor and total inhumanity of European fascism. I sometimes think if we taught more real history(and maybe there is an element of how a new 'diverse'(though not in thought it often seems)UK, that we cannot do it fully)that we might see the great figures in our history, from Burke to the founding fathers, who made us what we are, and maybe gain a view of how they would be spinning in their graves at our governance and political debate.

    This came off the top of my head but I really do think we've declined tragically, and I am becoming aware of how pernicious our debate is and how much I am being propagandized. We as people need to use our own faculties, and actively oppose consuming everything from the same media, and remain healthily ware of their propagandizing and keep our objectivity. We need to do things on rationality, not on fervour or claiming the fake, manipulated moral high ground. We need to question opinion, authority, why and how it could be influenced, and some more complex reasons why they may want you to believe it. We need to hone our sense to lack of objectivity and not consume or tolerate it. It may well be the future of our democracy is at stake.
    Please use proper, shorter paragraphs. A huge wall of words means people are less likely to read it.
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    We need to question opinion, authority, why and how it could be influenced
    This is the tl;dr version. From my quick read over the wall of text, I think it's about how the media is creating a ton of truth-altered **** about Jeremy Corbyn in the hope he isn't voted for. Lets be honest though, he seems one of the more down-to-earth politicians who isn't stuck on their high horse ****ing pigs or bombing Iraq for no good reason. The only thing he lacks is proven leadership.
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    (Original post by Craig1998)
    This is the tl;dr version. From my quick read over the wall of text, I think it's about how the media is creating a ton of truth-altered **** about Jeremy Corbyn in the hope he isn't voted for. Lets be honest though, he seems one of the more down-to-earth politicians who isn't stuck on their high horse ****ing pigs or bombing Iraq for no good reason. The only thing he lacks is proven leadership.
    The media don't need to do anything in the hope he isn't voted for, he does that enough himself.
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    (Original post by Craig1998)
    This is the tl;dr version. From my quick read over the wall of text, I think it's about how the media is creating a ton of truth-altered **** about Jeremy Corbyn in the hope he isn't voted for. Lets be honest though, he seems one of the more down-to-earth politicians who isn't stuck on their high horse ****ing pigs or bombing Iraq for no good reason. The only thing he lacks is proven leadership.
    It is, more generally, how anybody who doesn't fit the social and economic liberal/Neoliberal/Blarite consensus is pilloried by the media. It can be Farage on one side of the debate(some evil social conservatism on crime and mass immigration), or Corbyn on the other, or even Ed Miliband trying to deal with inequality(Filthy commies).
    What they have in common is being free thinking Englishmen who oppose establishment and have their own views and principles. They want to make a difference amidst this oppressive consensus.
    My point is we are now a heavily propagandized nation believing in speech and thought crimes that no longer loves liberty, or freedom of conscience like we used to- it has been systematically eroded and it is our responsibilty to actively oppose this. We have become a nation full of people that, only out of (morally)narcissistic tendencies, want complete adherence to our world view, whilst being oblivious to the horrible, fascistic, undemocratic nature of this.
    We have lost our formerly mature and wise respect for liberty, opposition and anti-authoritarianism(these were directly linked to our country being vastly more successful than any other, certainly in Europe) - this is encapsulated by the BBC's current behaviour over the referendum and Corbyn. It is also disturbing to see so many illogical and ignorant 'Tories'(not actually very conservative) pillorying Corbyn, failing to realise that this is about liberty and democracy, a wider picture. They would only actively campaign for the opposition to move closer to their own polices if they love the opposition and want an undemocratic stitch up of all politics. Maybe they do, or they are thoughtless, but in any case it should be questioned at the least, or regarded with derision as in my case.
    Ideological zombies are insufferable and increasingly pernicious in our national debate. They are frequently oblivious to how they do the bidding of the truly cynical and sociopathic.
    We need a serious dose of our former maturity and objectivity. Where is our historically famed respect for maverick independence(maybe there are glimpses of rising against the propaganda-Farage and Corbyn getting success against the consensus)? and to stop thinking in ideological tribes, 'black and white' moral tribes. To see that any cause can be hijacked with deeper motivations underlying and more complex byproducts going along with it, that can deflect from much more consequential questions about our destiny. In short, we should not be so gullible and should think as individuals.The referendum brought this home to me most depressingly.

    I'll leave you with this old classic;

    'Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.' Friedrich Nietzsche
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    Pretty clear this is just the media chatting ****. Anyone who believes it is a muppet, even if you don't support the guy.
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    Well being Anti-Zionist hardly ever works out well in politics. Just saying. According to the media we're supposed to be happy with Panama Dave and his tax dodging mates. A guy who cut disability benefits so his rich friends could reduce their income tax from 50% to 40%. But we're supposed to hate Corbyn. Quite clearly the corporate funded media would rather support someone who benefits MNCS and Israel than the people and the most vulnerable in society who put him in power to serve their interests.
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    (Original post by SpiritSharD)
    Pretty clear this is just the media chatting ****. Anyone who believes it is a muppet, even if you don't support the guy.
    Sadly many people are so tribal and brainwashed, and propagandized into fervours, they have forgotten the virtues of respect for dissent, and a wide spectrum of opinion, and they have abandoned the need to be cynical of propaganda and authority. This is damaging to say the least. Then there are the ones who porbably are no t so gullible, don't believe it at all, but are happy to recycle more untruth because they are zealots who don't mind playing dirty and they have been corrupted by our progressive moral decline into a country where values and honesty are not only not so rewarded anymore, they are often actively punished. Good news is I think Newe Labour and Blairites took us to an all time low, and I think the trend can slowly, and will. reverse.
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    (Original post by Themini)
    Well being Anti-Zionist hardly ever works out well in politics. Just saying. According to the media we're supposed to be happy with Panama Dave and his tax dodging mates. A guy who cut disability benefits so his rich friends could reduce their income tax from 50% to 40%. But we're supposed to hate Corbyn. Quite clearly the corporate funded media would rather support someone who benefits MNCS and Israel than the people and the most vulnerable in society who put him in power to serve their interests.
    I couldn't agree more.
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    I couldn't agree more.
    Its how the world works . Politics is not a good man's game. Bernie Sanders should've won by a land slide to be nominee.
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    (Original post by Themini)
    Its how the world works . Politics is not a good man's game. Bernie Sanders should've won by a land slide to be nominee.
    Well it's a bit more complex I think. Corbyn is probably a good man, not sure Farage or Galloway are at all, but I like all three more, and think they are better for democracy than the hordes of Blairites in my view. The same is somewhat true of Trump in the US, vs Hilary.
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    I am going to paragraph the OP btw.

    The article below really articulates, in a kind of macrocosm, some of the trends I'm getting at in what I've been saying about freedom of thought, liberty and conformity. It covers not the change I'm observing over my lifetime, but our post war cultural change, cast against a wider historical spectrum, and, for example, the dominance of a prevailing 'intellectual orthodoxy'.

    http://www.city-journal.org/html/roa...dom-12871.html
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    (Original post by Pegasus2)
    The media don't need to do anything in the hope he isn't voted for, he does that enough himself.
    An opinion based on media reports?
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    (Original post by Aliccam)
    An opinion based on media reports?
    This is the thing though, it based on some of his views and what he's said in the past on live TV. Not what the media has said.
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    I heard that Corbyn is going to make paragraphs illegal!
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    (Original post by Pegasus2)
    This is the thing though, it based on some of his views and what he's said in the past on live TV. Not what the media has said.
    You do realise they edit what is on TV, and in the media, so that you hear mainly the bits they want you to hear and see, and not those they don't want you to hear and see.
 
 
 
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