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    I previously had a Samsung NP300E5E laptop from 2013 until now. It sadly broke and I want a windows laptop which is decent for gaming (doesn't have to be great though!), has a pretty good battery life and would be able to be bought new, refurbished or second hand for under 150 pounds. Could somebody please help me?
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    Sorry but on £150 budget nobody can help you.

    There's very few laptops you can buy new at that price. They're almost exclusively lowest of low machines with 32GB of storage. 2GB of RAM and Celeron level processors. The only one that even springs to mind is the HP Steam. Generally you'll be looking at over £200 for a standard laptop, closer to £300 for anything that works decently and far more if you want to do any sort of gaming on it.

    Assuming you could get a second hand machine at half price you'd be looking at something that started around £300. Half price is optimistic though, as you'll more than likely see a much smaller decrease in price for a second hand or refurbished machine. Looking at laptops in the £300 range they tend to have Pentium or i3 processors and 4 or 8GB of RAM. 8GB is pretty much a necessity nowadays for anything more than the most basic of tasks. Even moderate Google Chrome use won't run smoothly on 4GB of RAM anymore. Now an i3 and 8GB of RAM isn't the worst you could find for gaming but it's not ideal either. Lack of any graphics card means you're running on integrated graphics. You'll be able to play some low level, browser based games and possibly older games with low requirements but it won't be useful for any amount of moderate gaming.

    Realistically speaking, £150 is simply not enough to buy a laptop. Anything you get new will be terrible with incredibly low specs and practically no storage (I hope you like working from the cloud or via USB drives) and anything pre owned or refurbished will be at best poor.

    To buy a decent laptop brand new you're looking at closer to £300-500. Much closer to £500 if you want to game reasonably well. And higher than that if your idea of gaming is more along the lines of modern, AAA titles.
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    (Original post by dakofsta)
    I previously had a Samsung NP300E5E laptop from 2013 until now. It sadly broke and I want a windows laptop which is decent for gaming (doesn't have to be great though!), has a pretty good battery life and would be able to be bought new, refurbished or second hand for under 150 pounds. Could somebody please help me?
    Unless you want to look on places such as eBay, you won't get anything at all for £150 or under. In fact, you won't even get a decent tablet (10 inch) nowadays for under £15.

    If you look in the computer shops, such as Currys/PC World, you'll require at least £250, and even then, you'll get a very basic laptop. I can vouch for this. My parents needed a cheap laptop for basic things such as email, internet, documents etc. Got an ex-display HP laptop for £250. It had 6GB RAM and a 750GB hard drive (which is the minimum you'd expect nowadays, even 4GB RAM is on the low side. You really want at least 8GB), but the processor was an AMD-E2 at 1.7GHZ. Really struggles with anything intensive and won't do HD Youtube very well at all, even 720p, you have to use standard definition. I'd have personally increased my budget by £100 and got an intel i3, which would be more powerful and do most things OK, but you still won't be able to do much gaming (certainly today's powerful games) very well on an i3.

    Most laptops nowadays have either a 4 cell or 6 cell battery, which will do 4 hours or more (especially on the lower power laptops, like my modern HP).

    On eBay you can get laptops for less than £150, but they will be pre-owned, and certainly won't be fit for gaming (we're talking 2GB RAM, old 1.6GHz processors, 60GB hard drive etc - probably used to run better on XP but had Windows 7 slapped on to them due to XP's EOL, but they won't run that smoothly). You're best off looking for what specs you will need, to meet your demand, then saving up the money for said laptop that meets that specification.

    For example, you said about a laptop that is decent for gaming. You'll need at least an intel i3 or better, preferably an intel i5 or better. You'll need 8GB RAM and at least 500GB hard drive space (preferably 1TB or more). You'll need decent graphics - most modern i3's/i5's etc have decent integrated graphics. Obviously, a dedicated graphics card will be much better, but will cost at least another £150. And you'll need a decent quality screen and decent quality speakers (though these are more minor aspects). A good laptop for most things, including a few games, will be about £300-£400. If you want something that is more powerful, that will do more intensive things (including the more modern games), or want a dedicated graphics card, be prepared to spend £500+.

    Hope that helps.
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    450-500 quid is how much you need.
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    If I was you I'd get this (or similar):

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Intel-Core...4AAOSwHnFVlTuU

    Slightly over £150 though
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    (Original post by y-hus)
    If I was you I'd get this (or similar):

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Intel-Core...4AAOSwHnFVlTuU

    Slightly over £150 though
    This is honestly about the closest you'll get. Spec wise it looks pretty good but I'm also not entirely confident about it. You simply don't tend to get an i5 and 8GB of RAM for that price point, even refurbished.

    There's nothing to say what level i5. This is super important. Any older model i5's will have poor integrated graphics. It's also possible it's a dual core i5, not quad core. These factors will severely impact performance.

    It's listed as "battery tested to hold a charge". Scrolling down a bit it says the battery will hold at least 30 minutes of charge. Being pre owned you never know what sort of battery life you'll get. Odds are the battery life will not be good here.

    128GB SSD. Great. Except that's the only storage listed. Windows and the pre installed software will take up a good chunk of that, leaving little space for storing games, documents and so on. You may be able to expand it with an additional drive as some older laptops have more than 1 drive space. However it's not ideal.

    Bulkiness and weight on these old machines are often terrible. This one is thick enough to have 2 layers of USB ports and a rather thick looking screen. I don't know the dimensions or weight off hand but coupled with poor battery life (and not helped if you attempt to game) it really isn't going to be a portable device.

    Condition. You really don't know what sort of condition it'll arrive in. Might be pretty good, might be really scratched up. These sorts of users shift tons of these laptops and I'm sure quality varies.

    There's loads of these types of devices around but they often omit important information in the listing. There's also a reason they end up being so cheap, especially when you consider that a modern, high end desktop grade i5 (e.g. 6600K) will set you back around £220 by itself.
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    u can try here? https://uk.carousell.com/search/prod...ollection_id=7
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    ebay and you are no going to get anything very portable.
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    (Original post by Acsel)
    Sorry but on £150 budget nobody can help you.

    There's very few laptops you can buy new at that price. They're almost exclusively lowest of low machines with 32GB of storage. 2GB of RAM and Celeron level processors. The only one that even springs to mind is the HP Steam. Generally you'll be looking at over £200 for a standard laptop, closer to £300 for anything that works decently and far more if you want to do any sort of gaming on it.

    Assuming you could get a second hand machine at half price you'd be looking at something that started around £300. Half price is optimistic though, as you'll more than likely see a much smaller decrease in price for a second hand or refurbished machine. Looking at laptops in the £300 range they tend to have Pentium or i3 processors and 4 or 8GB of RAM. 8GB is pretty much a necessity nowadays for anything more than the most basic of tasks. Even moderate Google Chrome use won't run smoothly on 4GB of RAM anymore. Now an i3 and 8GB of RAM isn't the worst you could find for gaming but it's not ideal either. Lack of any graphics card means you're running on integrated graphics. You'll be able to play some low level, browser based games and possibly older games with low requirements but it won't be useful for any amount of moderate gaming.

    Realistically speaking, £150 is simply not enough to buy a laptop. Anything you get new will be terrible with incredibly low specs and practically no storage (I hope you like working from the cloud or via USB drives) and anything pre owned or refurbished will be at best poor.

    To buy a decent laptop brand new you're looking at closer to £300-500. Much closer to £500 if you want to game reasonably well. And higher than that if your idea of gaming is more along the lines of modern, AAA titles.
    About four years ago, I bought a Samsung X11 for £75 from a computer fair - complete with an added Geforce gpu. Wasn't the best box but it did everything I ever wanted it to (including gaming, virtualization, and software dev).
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    This looks promising: http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dell-Latitud...%257Ciid%253A3
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    (Original post by Tootles)
    About four years ago, I bought a Samsung X11 for £75 from a computer fair - complete with an added Geforce gpu. Wasn't the best box but it did everything I ever wanted it to (including gaming, virtualization, and software dev).
    These tend to be exceptions more than the rule. And I must say I doubt that you'd find something along these lines nowadays. Especially with games and applications becoming more resource intensive. I don't doubt at all that you'd find a deal like that but I am doubtful as to whether it would meet my personal criteria for minimum spec today. But then I have a pretty high standard for computer parts.

    Do you remember what sort of specs it had and what exactly you were using it for? I'd be interested to know what you got for that £75.

    I suppose providing you aren't overly fussed about the cosmetics, weight (because these cheap laptops tend to be upgraded models from several years ago) and other factors you can pick up something relatively cheap. But as someone who rocks a Dell XPS13 as a daily driver I can't knowingly recommend hardware on the cheapest end. Because to me personally it'd be terrible and I'd rather save the money to buy something better.
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    (Original post by Acsel)
    These tend to be exceptions more than the rule. And I must say I doubt that you'd find something along these lines nowadays. Especially with games and applications becoming more resource intensive. I don't doubt at all that you'd find a deal like that but I am doubtful as to whether it would meet my personal criteria for minimum spec today. But then I have a pretty high standard for computer parts.

    Do you remember what sort of specs it had and what exactly you were using it for? I'd be interested to know what you got for that £75.

    I suppose providing you aren't overly fussed about the cosmetics, weight (because these cheap laptops tend to be upgraded models from several years ago) and other factors you can pick up something relatively cheap. But as someone who rocks a Dell XPS13 as a daily driver I can't knowingly recommend hardware on the cheapest end. Because to me personally it'd be terrible and I'd rather save the money to buy something better.
    I can't remember the spec, but it was standard for an X11 when I got it. I think I put a new hard drive and more RAM in it, and that brought it up enough to play UT3 and Minecraft pretty nicely on.
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    i bought a second hand laptop for £35 at a car boot sale recently:
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    (Original post by Tootles)
    I can't remember the spec, but it was standard for an X11 when I got it. I think I put a new hard drive and more RAM in it, and that brought it up enough to play UT3 and Minecraft pretty nicely on.
    One of these?

    http://www.cnet.com/products/samsung...-gb-hdd/specs/

    Not a terrible device for 4 years ago if you upgraded the RAM and storage. Although nowadays you'd run into all sorts of issues. Being able to play UT3 and Minecraft is perfectly acceptable though.

    I suppose the real issue with these sorts of questions is that people usually fail to give details. Gaming is a very broad term. Minecraft runs on a wide variety of hardware. UT3 has pretty low requirements although you'd probably run into compatibility issue with Windows 7 onward. Not to mention you'd need a pretty hefty upgrade to get it up to running Windows 7, 8 or 10 with DDR2 somewhat difficult to find nowadays outside eBay.

    If that worked for you then that's great although I can't see it standing up to any sort of modern punishment.
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    One of these?

    http://www.cnet.com/products/samsung...-gb-hdd/specs/

    Not a terrible device for 4 years ago if you upgraded the RAM and storage. Although nowadays you'd run into all sorts of issues. Being able to play UT3 and Minecraft is perfectly acceptable though.

    I suppose the real issue with these sorts of questions is that people usually fail to give details. Gaming is a very broad term. Minecraft runs on a wide variety of hardware. UT3 has pretty low requirements although you'd probably run into compatibility issue with Windows 7 onward. Not to mention you'd need a pretty hefty upgrade to get it up to running Windows 7, 8 or 10 with DDR2 somewhat difficult to find nowadays outside eBay.

    If that worked for you then that's great although I can't see it standing up to any sort of modern punishment.
    That machine ran Windows 8.1 quite nicely at one point actually, you wouldn't believe it. That said, if I was to set it up now, I'd probably stick with XP just for the same of compatibility. Not like the stuff I play would even need an Internet connection.

    Current gaming machine is another old laptop, one I'd got from new, which I've put in a bureau and connected a monitor and external HDD to (for films) and bluetooth keyboard/mouse and a USB SNES controller.

    Yep, you guessed it - "gaming" in this instance means I've got a pile of emulators on a computer that would otherwise end up in the bin.

    The ambiguity with the term "gaming" gets on my tits as well. I mean some emulation, maybe UT, maybe Minecraft, possibly even AoE. My brother would mean FPS on his PS3 (if he's still got it), and my father would mean a deck of cards.
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    (Original post by Tootles)
    That machine ran Windows 8.1 quite nicely at one point actually, you wouldn't believe it. That said, if I was to set it up now, I'd probably stick with XP just for the same of compatibility. Not like the stuff I play would even need an Internet connection.

    Current gaming machine is another old laptop, one I'd got from new, which I've put in a bureau and connected a monitor and external HDD to (for films) and bluetooth keyboard/mouse and a USB SNES controller.

    Yep, you guessed it - "gaming" in this instance means I've got a pile of emulators on a computer that would otherwise end up in the bin.

    The ambiguity with the term "gaming" gets on my tits as well. I mean some emulation, maybe UT, maybe Minecraft, possibly even AoE. My brother would mean FPS on his PS3 (if he's still got it), and my father would mean a deck of cards.
    That's something I'd have to see to believe hahaha

    I've got a similar setup on the way using an MSI Cubi N. Picked it up for £50, added 8GB of RAM and an old 1TB hard drive. Currently runs anything from Windows and Linux to server and file stuff like FreeNAS. Surprisingly solid buy for £80, brand new none the less.

    When people say gaming I immediately jump to the conclusion they mean whatever is big now. So I'm looking at stuff that can run Overwatch, or Battlefield, or Dark Souls and so on. I forget that to some people gaming means browser based, or emulators, or old titles, or anything in between.
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    (Original post by y-hus)
    If I was you I'd get this (or similar):

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Intel-Core...4AAOSwHnFVlTuU

    Slightly over £150 though
    Not bad, but slightly dated.

    Things that the seller forgot to mention:

    1) The i5 processor is an i5-520M. So a 1st generation i5. Reasonably powerful but nowhere near the performance of a 4th gen, 5th gen or 6th gen i5.

    2) 128GB SSD may be ok for performance, but certainly not for capacity/storage capabilities. I'd want to get that taken out, and replaced with a 1TB HDD.

    3) What sort of RAM? DDR3? Or the older DDR2?

    4) Battery tested to hold a charge - how much though? I assume that it may not last that long, and in a few months time, you'll need to buy a new battery anyway.

    5) You do NOT need Office 65 and OpenOffice on the same machine. One office package will be fine.

    Also, that machine doesn't look to be that portable, and the older i5's have worse integrated graphics (though should still be fine for most things!).

    Not too bad for £189.99, though I feel as though I wouldn't want to pay more than £175 for it, based on the above.

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    This is honestly about the closest you'll get. Spec wise it looks pretty good but I'm also not entirely confident about it. You simply don't tend to get an i5 and 8GB of RAM for that price point, even refurbished.There's nothing to say what level i5. This is super important. Any older model i5's will have poor integrated graphics. It's also possible it's a dual core i5, not quad core. These factors will severely impact performance.
    Just looked online and it's a 1st gen, an i5-520M. Not the greatest when compared to the 4th, 5th, 6th gens, but at least it's an i5! It will no doubt be dual core, I know my old i5-480M was a dual core.
    It's listed as "battery tested to hold a charge". Scrolling down a bit it says the battery will hold at least 30 minutes of charge. Being pre owned you never know what sort of battery life you'll get. Odds are the battery life will not be good here.
    You could end up with a notification saying that Windows thinks your battery needs to be replaced! I know that the original battery for my Acer 5742 lasts about 30 minutes (possibly more, possibly less) and Windows sys that it should be replaced, due to holding less than 40% capacity. The seller should specify how much charge the battery can hold (this is easy in Windows 7, using the Battery Meter gadget). Less than 50% Retain Capacity (ratio of maximum charge held today vs designed capacity charge) and the battery will need to be replaced not far down the line.
    128GB SSD. Great. Except that's the only storage listed. Windows and the pre installed software will take up a good chunk of that, leaving little space for storing games, documents and so on. You may be able to expand it with an additional drive as some older laptops have more than 1 drive space. However it's not ideal.
    A 128GB SSD is not good for just as a primary drive. If you're going to use a 128GB SSD, you need a dual HDD system, whereby the OS and important programs are installed on the SSD (for high performance where required), and a secondary HDD (preferably 1TB+) is used for everything else. 128GB will fill up very quickly, especially if you have a lot of photos, music and videos.
    Bulkiness and weight on these old machines are often terrible. This one is thick enough to have 2 layers of USB ports and a rather thick looking screen. I don't know the dimensions or weight off hand but coupled with poor battery life (and not helped if you attempt to game) it really isn't going to be a portable device.
    You're right, that laptop (looks like a business laptop) doesn't seem to be very light at all. More modern laptops than this are much lighter and more portable. Yes, it's probably a bit lighter than my Fujitsu Siemens Lifebook E8020 from 2006, but it won't be that much lighter!
    Condition. You really don't know what sort of condition it'll arrive in. Might be pretty good, might be really scratched up. These sorts of users shift tons of these laptops and I'm sure quality varies.There's loads of these types of devices around but they often omit important information in the listing. There's also a reason they end up being so cheap, especially when you consider that a modern, high end desktop grade i5 (e.g. 6600K) will set you back around £220 by itself.
    Most sellers specify a condition rating, from A to D/E. Grade A laptops are usually what you want to get, Grade B means it'll have a few scratches, Grade C means it'll have a lot of scratches/dents (some major), Grade D means it'll be pretty beat up (if it works) and Grade E will be for parts only.

    This seller has been a bit naughty as they haven't specified what condition it will be in, however they have said "Seller refurbished" as the condition, which means (in ebay's eyes) that it will be in excellent condition. Whether it will be in excellent condition or not, is another matter.

    Good spot there - seems to be a reasonably good laptop. It's got a more modern i5 processor (4th gen, 4310U), it's got 4GB RAM (though I assume this can be easily upgraded to 8GB). Again as I said above, a 128GB SSD is not ideal unless you want a dual drive system - so you'll want to get that switched out and replaced with a 1TB mechanical hard drive.
    Windows 10 - could be a positive or a negative, depending if the user likes Windows 10 or if they would prefer Windows 7.

    Quite a few important details, such as battery life, sound quality, LCD screen etc are omitted.... and do expect scratches on it, as it has stated in the description. Not a bad laptop though, particularly if you upgrade the RAM and SSD (to a 1TB HDD).
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    Hmm 128 GB is plenty for me but of course would be too small for others. Depends on OPs usage. Either way if I was OP I'd buy that laptop because doubt he's going to get anything better than an i5 4th gen laptop in good condition on his budget.

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    (Original post by spotify95)
    Just looked online and it's a 1st gen, an i5-520M. Not the greatest when compared to the 4th, 5th, 6th gens, but at least it's an i5! It will no doubt be dual core, I know my old i5-480M was a dual core.
    Oh wow, I was expecting something old but I certainly wasn't expecting a first gen i5. I did think it might have been something more modern. Most definitely going to be a dual core then, especially on a mobile model. It'll work but it won't feel like a modern i5 by any stretch.

    But then that's a 2010 processor for you. In terms of computer tech we've come a very long way in the past few years.

    Agreed with all your other points, lots of important details.
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    (Original post by y-hus)
    Hmm 128 GB is plenty for me but of course would be too small for others. Depends on OPs usage. Either way if I was OP I'd buy that laptop because doubt he's going to get anything better than an i5 4th gen laptop in good condition on his budget.

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    I agree with that bit, but to be honest with you I'd want to upgrade the 4GB RAM to 8GB, since 8GB is a given these days. I mean, I've got about 15-20 tabs open on Chromium, and I'm using about 2GB RAM just on Chromium. So having less than 8GB RAM may well hinder performance. And I'd get the 128GB replaced with a 1TB HDD. Alright, it depends on usage, but I've got quite a bit of music on my laptop and even my documents, pictures, music and videos take up more than the entire 128GB of storage on the SSD.
 
 
 
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