New petition: Stop Hinkley nuclear plant and spend the money on renewable instead

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The petition: https://secure.greenpeace.org.uk/pag...20160307egem01

About it: http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/blog/nu...stead-20160307

"The cost of the project is staggering. Best guesses say Hinkley could pass £24 billion -- easily making it the most expensive power station in world history. " - What??
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And when the sun doesn't shine and the wind doesn't blow?
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You have to be clinically insane to think that renewable can replace nuclear. It is the future. Renewable is a stopgap and will be gone by the time fusion becomes viable.
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And when the sun doesn't shine and the wind doesn't blow?
or it blows too fast and the turbines need shutting down...lol.

I understand us trying to take advantage of tidal energy, since that's a constant and we have good sites for it. But not solar/wind in any serious way.
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or it blows too fast and the turbines need shutting down...lol.

I understand us trying to take advantage of tidal energy, since that's a constant and we have good sites for it. But not solar/wind in any serious way.
Yep. Presumably the OP isn't a massive fan of coal power stations...


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The UK Government wants to spend 100 Billion on Trident, but people are angry for 24 Billion on a Nuclear Plant that has better long-term benefits than a nuclear weapon.
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Oh come on...Renewables are good but it doesn't have as much of a good output as nuclear and it isn't reliable. Investment is much better in nuclear power than renewables.
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Yay, another petition, they always work!
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Nope, nuclear is the way to go to improve baseload, reduce emissions and promote energy security.

Renewables are expensive and problematic. I have no problem supporting renewable investment for the future as part of a diversified energy mix, but to suggest it can adequately replace new nuclear is, I think, a bit daft.
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The infrastructure is nowhere near there yet for renewables to actually work alone as a sustainable energy source. Before we even begin the infrastructure needed in terms of renewables to match the power out put of a nuclear plant is much higher, secondly a flaw with many renewable technologies is that they only work for some of the time (not continuously), and the grid in it's current form works such that power plants are producing as much electricity as is being used, i.e. none is left over and stored anywhere. In order for renewables to be able to constantly meet demand at all times of the day battery technology is going to need to vastly improve, and ... while it is improving it is NOT in the state yet where it can feasibly used for a mass grid storage project.

All of which is to say I would support a new new petition: Instead of building just one new nuclear power plant, build two.
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I think nuclear power is an excellent investment, and I wish more countries would be open minded rather than taking a "not in my backyard" attitude. I think the Germans freaked out over this issue and started dismantling nuclear plants to go back to coal.

Talking to a German engineer and hearing his emotionally-based, paranoid reasoning that revolved around potential yet unlikely disasters and grandchildren was depressing. I thought they were smarter than that. And this was one of the people advising their government.
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I suggest all those supporting Nuclear go and live right next door to the plant and lets use your back garden as a dumping ground for deadly radioactive waste. Also I think you should pay for it and all the subsidies it will require for decades to come and it will go way over budget I can guarantee that. Nuclear Power in its current state, is wasteful, expensive, creates fewer jobs than renewable alternatives, is still short term and an unnecessary risk.

Also don't come out with crap like oh what if the wind doesn't blow or the sun doesn't shine. You do realise there is more than just wind and solar and it's been proven to be successful in generating a lot of power in many other European countries. I seriously advise you educate yourself on the matter, maybe do Geography at A Level and realise current nuclear power is not worth it!
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(Original post by jeremy1988)
I think nuclear power is an excellent investment, and I wish more countries would be open minded rather than taking a "not in my backyard" attitude. I think the Germans freaked out over this issue and started dismantling nuclear plants to go back to coal.

Talking to a German engineer and hearing his emotionally-based, paranoid reasoning that revolved around potential yet unlikely disasters and grandchildren was depressing. I thought they were smarter than that. And this was one of the people advising their government.
Actually Germany is going to renewables so maybe stop being so uninformed and making up an apparent friend of yours.
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I suggest all those supporting Nuclear go and live right next door to the plant and lets use your back garden as a dumping ground for deadly radioactive waste. Also I think you should pay for it and all the subsidies it will require for decades to come and it will go way over budget I can guarantee that. Nuclear Power in its current state, is wasteful, expensive, creates fewer jobs than renewable alternatives, is still short term and an unnecessary risk.

Also don't come out with crap like oh what if the wind doesn't blow or the sun doesn't shine. You do realise there is more than just wind and solar and it's been proven to be successful in generating a lot of power in many other European countries. I seriously advise you educate yourself on the matter, maybe do Geography at A Level and realise current nuclear power is not worth it!
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(Original post by limetang)
The infrastructure is nowhere near there yet for renewables to actually work alone as a sustainable energy source. Before we even begin the infrastructure needed in terms of renewables to match the power out put of a nuclear plant is much higher, secondly a flaw with many renewable technologies is that they only work for some of the time (not continuously), and the grid in it's current form works such that power plants are producing as much electricity as is being used, i.e. none is left over and stored anywhere. In order for renewables to be able to constantly meet demand at all times of the day battery technology is going to need to vastly improve, and ... while it is improving it is NOT in the state yet where it can feasibly used for a mass grid storage project.

All of which is to say I would support a new new petition: Instead of building just one new nuclear power plant, build two.
You really can't see the solution? Investing in renewables will mean they will come up to scratch with Nuclear in terms of generation, create many more jobs, be much more long term and have you heard of diversifying your energy sources?
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Why are left wingers so patronising? So often they come off as lecturing and self-righteous.
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Why are left wingers so patronising? So often they come off as lecturing and self-righteous.
Presume this is in response to me but I'm actually a Conservative supporter and consider myself centre right. Just a bit of an environmentalist!
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(Original post by Sebastian Bartlett)
Presume this is in response to me but I'm actually a Conservative supporter and consider myself centre right. Just a bit of an environmentalist!
So ****ing whiney though.

Having a proper whinge, arn't ya?
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So ****ing whiney though.

Having a proper whinge, arn't ya?
More like spelling out the facts but it's hard when people are so ignorant to the matter at hand.
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Nuclear power is the best answer to global warming. These days it's very safe.
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