problem with state schools are there are many variables which parents cant control, such as unruly kids. don't get me wrong, some of my mates are people that weren't really bothered about school, but I think it throws a spanner in the works. my mum wanted me to go for a grammar and I probably would have passed the 11+. my mediocre academic career since is probably due to he fact I went to state and fell in with the wrong crowd, plus wasn't academically challenged. however I still got to a solid russel group so I wont complain too much. its just going to a state instanty ruled out some options, as most of the teachers didn't believe in you and wouldn't move you up groups