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    He's bloody awful. I'd rather have WilshGOAT in a wheelchair in midfield than Drinkwater. Getting found out now that Kante has left.

    Lingard is incredibly underrated. If he played for any other club, people would be clamouring for an England call-up. Our players are always criminally underrated, especially the English ones (see Smalling, Carrick, Scholes).

    Lastly, my hopeful England XI after this summer's shambles:

    Butland
    Antonio, Stones, Smalling, Shaw
    Lingard, Dier, Lewis Cook, Rashford
    Vardy, Kane

    Classic 4-4-2, it's back in style boys
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    Judging off one pre-season kickabout :laugh: Could easily look to 4 days ago when Drinkwater looked absolute mustard against Barcelona. But, claiming Man Utd players are criminally underrated - too obvious; 2/10.
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    Judging off one pre-season kickabout :laugh: Could easily look to 4 days ago when Drinkwater looked absolute mustard against Barcelona. But, claiming Man Utd players are criminally underrated - too obvious; 2/10.
    Stopped reading when I saw "WilshGOAT"
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    Judging off one pre-season kickabout :laugh: Could easily look to 4 days ago when Drinkwater looked absolute mustard against Barcelona. But, claiming Man Utd players are criminally underrated - too obvious; 2/10.
    Stopped reading when I saw "WilshGOAT"
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    (Original post by sr90)
    Stopped reading when I saw "WilshGOAT"
    Best english midfielder since Scholes. Who do you support?

    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    Judging off one pre-season kickabout :laugh: Could easily look to 4 days ago when Drinkwater looked absolute mustard against Barcelona. But, claiming Man Utd players are criminally underrated - too obvious; 2/10.
    And judging from the England games he played last year without Kante (obviously). Our players are systematically underrated due to the ex Liverpool/Arsenal players who dominate the media and most fan's opinions. The fact that Gibbs, Milner, Henderson have ever got anywhere near an England shirt is enough to prove this.
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    Lingard has potential to be one of the best, his skills are just amazing !! If it was Messi or Ronaldo that did that it would have got so much coverage. But he is a player of the laughing stock United.

    Hopefully Mou can change this around 🙂 🔴⚪️
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    Another example of our players being criminally underrated is Nani. Fans from other clubs often mock him, but the guy was absolute genius for 3 or 4 years. Everyone just loves to hate us.
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    Best english midfielder since Scholes. Who do you support?



    And judging from the England games he played last year without Kante (obviously). Our players are systematically underrated due to the ex Liverpool/Arsenal players who dominate the media and most fan's opinions. The fact that Gibbs, Milner, Henderson have ever got anywhere near an England shirt is enough to prove this.
    The England games where he was deployed in an entirely different role to the one he played for leicester?

    Man Utd players are systematically overrated, just like Liverpool. Playing for you is enough to get into an England squad, even if you don't warrant any sort of senior Callup (see Rashford)


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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    The England games where he was deployed in an entirely different role to the one he played for leicester?

    Man Utd players are systematically overrated, just like Liverpool. Playing for you is enough to get into an England squad, even if you don't warrant any sort of senior Callup (see Rashford)


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    Please don't call Rashford overrated, he is only 18 and not many were as talented as him at his age.
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    Man Utd players are systematically overrated, just like Liverpool. Playing for you is enough to get into an England squad, even if you don't warrant any sort of senior Callup (see Rashford)
    One thing's for sure since Fergie left United have systematically overrated players in the transfer market.
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    (Original post by Altun63)
    Please don't call Rashford overrated, he is only 18 and not many were as talented as him at his age.
    Is he currently good enough for England and if he played for someone like Watford would he have even been considered for the euros?


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    (Original post by richpanda)
    Another example of our players being criminally underrated is Nani. Fans from other clubs often mock him, but the guy was absolute genius for 3 or 4 years. Everyone just loves to hate us.
    The media love us as we have the largest fanbase in the country, however we are also the most hated club in the country.

    Therefore when young players like Rashford, Lingard, Januzaj etc come through, the media hype them up because people are clearly interested in the young stars from the biggest club in the world. But our top players do not receive the same treatment from the media because people aren't interested. Moreover, because we are so hated the majority of fans will attempt to underrate our stars (Smalling, Carrick, Scholes, RVN and especially Cristiano Ronaldo).
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    The England games where he was deployed in an entirely different role to the one he played for leicester?

    Man Utd players are systematically overrated, just like Liverpool. Playing for you is enough to get into an England squad, even if you don't warrant any sort of senior Callup (see Rashford)


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    How did Rashford not warrant a call up for the Euros? A call up shouldn't be a competition on who has played the most over the season, it should be about who can be the most effective at the Euros. Sure, Drinkwater might have played almost every game, but would he have been able to influence a game like Rashford can?

    Our English players are criminally underrated in the national team set-up, the effective absence of Rashford at the Euros and Scholes' limited opportunities should tell you this. Smalling is also scapegoated some times. What about Joe Hart, who was at fault for 3 of the 4 goals we conceded at the Euros? What about the awful Danny Rose?

    Luke Shaw is the ONLY top class player in the current England team. Which other England players would have a realistic chance of getting a spot at a top European club like say Bayern? NONE. Yet Shaw's return is very weakly welcomed by most 'pundits'
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    (Original post by richpanda)
    How did Rashford not warrant a call up for the Euros? A call up shouldn't be a competition on who has played the most over the season, it should be about who can be the most effective at the Euros. Sure, Drinkwater might have played almost every game, but would he have been able to influence a game like Rashford can?

    Our English players are criminally underrated in the national team set-up, the effective absence of Rashford at the Euros and Scholes' limited opportunities should tell you this. Smalling is also scapegoated some times. What about Joe Hart, who was at fault for 3 of the 4 goals we conceded at the Euros? What about the awful Danny Rose?

    Luke Shaw is the ONLY top class player in the current England team. Which other England players would have a realistic chance of getting a spot at a top European club like say Bayern? NONE. Yet Shaw's return is very weakly welcomed by most 'pundits'
    It's not about who played most, but a call-up should be warranted - did a kid who'd had a couple of good games warrant a call-up over a genuine plan B who'd done as much that season and had more experience, like Carroll, or a player who'd consistently done it for a couple of years like Deeney? Rashford could in the future be a regular for England, but he shouldn't have been in the Euros squad to start with.

    As for the rest of it - :laugh: @ thinking the misuse of Scholes was because he was a Man Utd player rather than because Sven felt the need to shoe-horn in 3 CMs to a 4-4-2 to include Beckham. Even more so at the Joe Hart comments when he's been the butt of everyones jokes all summer
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    It's not about who played most, but a call-up should be warranted - did a kid who'd had a couple of good games warrant a call-up over a genuine plan B who'd done as much that season and had more experience, like Carroll, or a player who'd consistently done it for a couple of years like Deeney? Rashford could in the future be a regular for England, but he shouldn't have been in the Euros squad to start with.

    As for the rest of it - :laugh: @ thinking the misuse of Scholes was because he was a Man Utd player rather than because Sven felt the need to shoe-horn in 3 CMs to a 4-4-2 to include Beckham. Even more so at the Joe Hart comments when he's been the butt of everyones jokes all summer
    It doesn't matter if Deeney has performed over the last 2 seasons. All that matter is who the manager thinks will be the most effective in that tournament.

    It wasn't to include Beckham, who I personally think was overrated and not top class. It was to include Lampard and Gerrard, when Scholes was better than both.

    Lastly, I think in addition to shaming England players who perform awfully (Rooney, Hart, Sterling), we need to shame the clubs who don't supply any England players (Chelsea, Arsenal)
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    (Original post by richpanda)
    It doesn't matter if Deeney has performed over the last 2 seasons. All that matter is who the manager thinks will be the most effective in that tournament.

    It wasn't to include Beckham, who I personally think was overrated and not top class. It was to include Lampard and Gerrard, when Scholes was better than both.

    Lastly, I think in addition to shaming England players who perform awfully (Rooney, Hart, Sterling), we need to shame the clubs who don't supply any England players (Chelsea, Arsenal)
    So basically the manager is infallible and if someone gets a call-up it's definitely warranted, not being selected because they play for a specific club (do you really think Rashford would have got the call-up if he had last season in a West Brom shirt?)

    Well it was - he could have gone 4-3-3 with the lot of them, particularly given there wasn't really a stand out left winger at the time; but he had to play with wide midfielders to fit in Beckham.
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    Allardyce needs to be brave and call up Shawcross. Even if he can only get another 30 caps, he's literally the only competent English defender left in the PL and he wouldn't let the four Ibra goals define his England career. The England defenders above him: Smalling who has errors in him, Jones the injury crock, Stones who disappeared 2nd half of last season, Cahill who's past it (and will be even more so without Terry), Dier who is now a DM.

    (wrt Beckham I thought he always played at right midfield? but yeah he shouldn't have been considered once the likes of Stewart Downing and Joe Cole emerged)
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    (Original post by shawn_o1)
    Allardyce needs to be brave and call up Shawcross. Even if he can only get another 30 caps, he's literally the only competent English defender left in the PL and he wouldn't let the four Ibra goals define his England career. The England defenders above him: Smalling who has errors in him, Jones the injury crock, Stones who disappeared 2nd half of last season, Cahill who's past it (and will be even more so without Terry), Dier who is now a DM.

    (wrt Beckham I thought he always played at right midfield? but yeah he shouldn't have been considered once the likes of Stewart Downing and Joe Cole emerged)
    He did. But England didn't have a left winger to then balance the side so stuck a CM out there in Scholes.
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    It's not about who played most, but a call-up should be warranted - did a kid who'd had a couple of good games warrant a call-up over a genuine plan B who'd done as much that season and had more experience, like Carroll, or a player who'd consistently done it for a couple of years like Deeney? Rashford could in the future be a regular for England, but he shouldn't have been in the Euros squad to start with.

    As for the rest of it - :laugh: @ thinking the misuse of Scholes was because he was a Man Utd player rather than because Sven felt the need to shoe-horn in 3 CMs to a 4-4-2 to include Beckham. Even more so at the Joe Hart comments when he's been the butt of everyones jokes all summer
    Rashford was our best attacking player, so it clearly was a good choice. Had he played more minutes, in place of Kane or Sterling, we might not have failed so terribly.
 
 
 
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