Big blow to Corbyn as GMB members vote to back Smith Watch

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The GMB union, one of the three "big beasts" of the trade union movement affiliated to Labour, with 600,000 members, has balloted its members over who to support in the Labour leadership race. They voted 60% to 40% to support Owen Smith.

One should remember GMB is the union that represents workers at the Barrow shipyards that produce the nuclear submarines that defend our country and provide our nuclear deterrent. They also represent many workers in defence industries. They know that Jeremy Corbyn wants to put them out of a job, and have voted accordingly.

By contrast, Unite led by Len McCluskey decided to back Corbyn in this contest without balloting their members. Talk about hypocrisy given how much he bangs on about member democracy
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One should remember GMB is the union that represents workers at the Barrow shipyards that produce the nuclear submarines that defend our country and provide our nuclear deterrent. They also represent many workers in defence industries. They know that Jeremy Corbyn wants to put them out of a job, and have voted accordingly.
Oh :indiff:This probably means nothing then. Oh well. Corbyn here we come.
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Interesting response from the Corbyn wing

Apparently it was down the question from GMB focusing on 'electability'
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Interesting response from the Corbyn wing

Apparently it was down the question from GMB focusing on 'electability'
(fingers in ears)

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(Original post by AlexanderHam)
One should remember GMB is the union that represents workers at the Barrow shipyards that produce the nuclear submarines that defend our country and provide our nuclear deterrent. They also represent many workers in defence industries. They know that Jeremy Corbyn wants to put them out of a job, and have voted accordingly. *
But didn't Corbyn propose that we keep on with the submarines (the main bulk of the project, as opposed to the war heads) for the sole reason of keeping them in employment, despite the fact that they'd now be useless and a big (although stupid and false) gripe that some people have with Trident is the cost?*
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Interesting response from the Corbyn wing

Apparently it was down the question from GMB focusing on 'electability'
This wasn't the response from the Corbyn wing, it was pointed out by the leader Roach who is an Owen supporter. It was a bit odd, as they could have just asked, 'Who do support in the leadership election?'. I think you will find that most Corbyn supporters will put it down to the more obvious Trident connection.
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But didn't Corbyn propose that we keep on with the submarines (the main bulk of the project, as opposed to the war heads) for the sole reason of keeping them in employment, despite the fact that they'd now be useless and a big (although stupid and false) gripe that some people have with Trident is the cost?*
Who knows?

I was discussing on another thread the fact that Labour's website doesn't have a single policy mentioned on it. I'm sure there's some speech out there somewhere though if you've got the inclination to look hard enough for it(I know I haven't).
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This wasn't the response from the Corbyn wing, it was pointed out by the leader Roach who is an Owen supporter. It was a bit odd, as they could have just asked, 'Who do support in the leadership election?'. I think you will find that most Corbyn supporters will put it down to the more obvious Trident connection.
I agree there was a trident connection and I also disagree with the OP that this is a 'big blow' Corbyn still 1/16 at some bookies so still mission impossible for Smith.

Despite the large amount of affiliate members and polling indicating they are not happy with Corbyn union members dont tend to vote en masse at leadership elections.It would've been interesting to see if Unite had done the same.
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(Original post by skeptical_john)
I agree there was a trident connection and I also disagree with the OP that this is a 'big blow' Corbyn still 1/16 at some bookies so still mission impossible for Smith.

Despite the large amount of affiliate members and polling indicating they are not happy with Corbyn union members dont tend to vote en masse at leadership elections.It would've been interesting to see if Unite had done the same.
I wouldn't be surprised if pre Corbyn Labour members were 50/50 or less for Corbyn. These make up the bulk of affiliates. It is the newer members and registered supporters that are the ones more heavily supportive of Corbyn. I can't see many people forking out £25 to specifically exclude Corbyn or support Owen Smith.
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To call it a big blow is a joke, Smith should have won it by a bigger margin and ultimately they're irrelevant. A few thousand more GMB votes will go to smith than Corbyn? Okay, how about the hundreds of thousands of entryists voting corbyn? Or tje other unions? GMB back smith because he isn't calling for the scrapping of trident, it was expected and irrelevant.

Corbyn will still win at least 2:1 and be slaughtered in the general election.

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(Original post by KimKallstrom)
But didn't Corbyn propose that we keep on with the submarines (the main bulk of the project, as opposed to the war heads) for the sole reason of keeping them in employment, despite the fact that they'd now be useless and a big (although stupid and false) gripe that some people have with Trident is the cost?*
Employing people for no reason whatsoever - I am sure that has never been done before!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williamson_Tunnels
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Employing people for no reason whatsoever - I am sure that has never been done before!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williamson_Tunnels
This is not something to emulate haha!*
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Who knows?

I was discussing on another thread the fact that Labour's website doesn't have a single policy mentioned on it. I'm sure there's some speech out there somewhere though if you've got the inclination to look hard enough for it(I know I haven't).
No he did say it (as a suggestion) and even his own supporters cringed at it. *
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Its a big mess that they somehow manage to make messier. I have a feeling the membership is just strongly pro Corbyn as they packed the ranks when it was £3 to join. Couldnt make it up. Unelectable at least for the next two general elections.
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(Original post by KimKallstrom)
But didn't Corbyn propose that we keep on with the submarines (the main bulk of the project, as opposed to the war heads) for the sole reason of keeping them in employment, despite the fact that they'd now be useless and a big (although stupid and false) gripe that some people have with Trident is the cost?*
This attitude you have at times of 'if you don't agree with me you're stupid or a terrorist sympathiser' really stinks. There are legitimate arguments for and against trident renewal across the political spectrum.

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This attitude you have at times of 'if you don't agree with me you're stupid or a terrorist sympathiser' really stinks. There are legitimate arguments for and against trident renewal across the political spectrum.

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There is no legitimate argument for having SSBNs without the ICBMs though that isn't keeping a few jobs that would consequently be very expensive. If it were to happen then the boats should never leave the ports.

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There is no legitimate argument for having SSBNs without the ICBMs though that isn't keeping a few jobs that would consequently be very expensive. If it were to happen then the boats should never leave the ports.

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Yeah they may as well turn them into floating casinos for all its worth if they're scrapping the deterrent.
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Its a big mess that they somehow manage to make messier. I have a feeling the membership is just strongly pro Corbyn as they packed the ranks when it was £3 to join. Couldnt make it up. Unelectable at least for the next two general elections.
People keep banging on about how Corbyn is unelectable. The other part of the Labour party seem to think Owen Smith is, yet his policies are mainly just Corbyn lite, except for Trident, which voters don't really care about. The more centre left Milliband failed. Corbyn has at least attracted some interest in the party from new voters. Surely this means he has a better chance, as most of the original Labour voters are still going to vote Labour. Some of the anti establishment UKIP voters who want change may vote for him, now that UKIP have got what they wanted, and haven't really got anything else to offer.
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People keep banging on about how Corbyn is unelectable. The other part of the Labour party seem to think Owen Smith is, yet his policies are mainly just Corbyn lite, except for Trident, which voters don't really care about. The more centre left Milliband failed. Corbyn has at least attracted some interest in the party from new voters. Surely this means he has a better chance, as most of the original Labour voters are still going to vote Labour. Some of the anti establishment UKIP voters who want change may vote for him, now that UKIP have got what they wanted, and haven't really got anything else to offer.
To win they will roughly need to persuade the majority of the electorate and to do that they need the middle ground.

He's a pacifist.
He comes across as unimpressive.
He is unrealistic. 6hr day indeed.

I doubt Owen Smith is electable in the sense he would win an election, bit its suicidal with Corbyn.

Most of the original Labour voters arent going to vote Labour. A lot wont vote at all. he isnt going to win the south either.

Milliband failed because he was rubbish and also unelectable. They should have elected his brother who was less accident prone and came across as less of an idiot. Labour arent really the party of opposition now thye are more of a fringe party.
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(Original post by 999tigger)
To win they will roughly need to persuade the majority of the electorate and to do that they need the middle ground.

He's a pacifist.
He comes across as unimpressive.
He is unrealistic. 6hr day indeed.

I doubt Owen Smith is electable in the sense he would win an election, bit its suicidal with Corbyn.

Most of the original Labour voters arent going to vote Labour. A lot wont vote at all. he isnt going to win the south either.

Milliband failed because he was rubbish and also unelectable. They should have elected his brother who was less accident prone and came across as less of an idiot. Labour arent really the party of opposition now thye are more of a fringe party.
This(although there are studies from Sweden on the productivity benefits of a 6 hour day). I wouldn't bank on Owen Smith winning but I think he can do a good job of damage limitation.

They need the centre ground even more now that Scotland have ditched them for the SNP.
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