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City Training Contract prior to starting GDL?

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Reply 20

rah2
In my housemates GDL class of 40 there were only 6 people with TCs, mine had about 15. So yeah basically if you don't have one when you are about to start the GDL then don't panic. If don't have one before starting the LPC, DO panic :wink:

I lived with two LPCers and one GDL student, none of them got TCs this year despite applying/having regular interviews etc. One went to Warwick, one to Durham and the other to Kent. 2.1s all round, decent A Levels. Just as a warning it really isn't as easy as it seems, as www.traineesolicitor.co.uk will testify.


I think only 4 out of 35-40 in my GDL class had TCs at the start (and finish) of the course. Plus I think only 8 of the 16 in my LPC small group have TCs (just finished the course). It isn't a reason to panic, but it's worth being prepared for a struggle - not that it probably will be for you! :smile:

Reply 21

how are all these people paying for their course fees?!

Reply 22

TKR
how are all these people paying for their course fees?!

Either their parents are paying or they have graduate loans.

Reply 23

the GDL fee (in london) is around £7,000. the LPC costs around £10,000.

very scary. i suppose that in this light, all one can do is prepare their arse off so that when it comes to applying for training contracts, they're good enough for at least one out of the twenty plus firms they apply to and get that vital sponsorship.

Reply 24

silence
the GDL fee (in london) is around £7,000. the LPC costs around £10,000.

very scary. i suppose that in this light, all one can do is prepare their arse off so that when it comes to applying for training contracts, they're good enough for at least one out of the twenty plus firms they apply to and get that vital sponsorship.


:eek: Now I see why people should be worried if they dont have a TC before starting the LPC. I definately wouldnt be bothered about funding both of those my courses myself if I was guaranteed a training contract but the reality is that's not the case.

I dont really want to start a new thread for this so just a quick question if everyone doesnt mind me asking, but speaking from experience what would you say are the best ways for a non-law student to keep in touch with the legal world at uni? Any good societies to join especially or any vital ECs? Thanks in advance :smile:

Reply 25

silence
the GDL fee (in london) is around £7,000. the LPC costs around £10,000.

very scary. i suppose that in this light, all one can do is prepare their arse off so that when it comes to applying for training contracts, they're good enough for at least one out of the twenty plus firms they apply to and get that vital sponsorship.


Well the fees are certainly cheaper elsewhere (mine were £3500 and £8500)... but of course the other problem is that not everyone wants to go to the type of firms that offer sponsorship. I had quite a few friends on the LPC who wanted to do things like crime/immigration/childcare and the firms that offer TCs in those areas mostly didn't start recruiting for this year until the LPC was well under way.

Reply 26

tomdav
:eek: Now I see why people should be worried if they dont have a TC before starting the LPC. I definitely wouldnt be bothered about funding both of those my courses myself if I was guaranteed a training contract but the reality is that's not the case.

I dont really want to start a new thread for this so just a quick question if everyone doesnt mind me asking, but speaking from experience what would you say are the best ways for a non-law student to keep in touch with the legal world at uni? Any good societies to join especially or any vital ECs? Thanks in advance :smile:

rather than the legal world, i think the business world is important. you can just browse the business sections of the times online etc. also, when i spoke to a recruitment officer at a magic circle firm, they said that things like debating nad public speaking were good. but whatever you do, you can twist it into being something beneficial. i.e. sports teams show being able to work in groups.

Reply 27

I have another annoying question for all you knowledgable law people.

Do you receive information on whether you have secured a training contract BEFORE you make the final decisions on accepting your GDL choice? I mean surely whether your course is funded may help determine whether you choose to go to an expensive college or not?

Reply 28

Do you receive information on whether you have secured a training contract BEFORE you make the final decisions on accepting your GDL choice? I mean surely whether your course is funded may help determine whether you choose to go to an expensive college or not?


Well, that depends on when you get your TC: if its early in the year, then yes, you know you've got your TC before you decide where to go, but if you are still having interviews in July/August then no.

However, if you get your TC during your GDL, (like moi) then your firm is very likely to refund you your GDL fees.

Reply 29

always + forever
Well, that depends on when you get your TC: if its early in the year, then yes, you know you've got your TC before you decide where to go, but if you are still having interviews in July/August then no.

However, if you get your TC during your GDL, (like moi) then your firm is very likely to refund you your GDL fees.


That actually depends on the firm. I got my TC offer a couple of weeks after starting the LPC and, to my huge surprise, my firm paid my GDL fees in full.

Reply 30

Righto. Only reason I asked was because preliminarily, CoL looked really good though it's fees are over 6k, while some others are just above the 3k mark.

Reply 31

on a sidenote - but perhaps relevant - i'm slightly confused about the dates of training contracts; as in, when do they start, relative to studying the LPC?

i will graduate in july 08, finish the GDL in july 09 and the LPC in july 10 (i presume). when would I then start the actual training contract? during the summer? or at the same time that academic terms run, in september or so? and around what time do applications for it start?

Reply 32

silence
on a sidenote - but perhaps relevant - i'm slightly confused about the dates of training contracts; as in, when do they start, relative to studying the LPC?

i will graduate in july 08, finish the GDL in july 09 and the LPC in july 10 (i presume). when would I then start the actual training contract? during the summer? or at the same time that academic terms run, in september or so? and around what time do applications for it start?


You can basically start your TC as soon as you've finished your LPC, or at least as soon as you have your results. For big firms, I think you'd start in the September at the earliest, though some firms also have March start dates. With a smaller firm it could be sooner - I know one person who finished the LPC just under a month ago and has already started her TC.

Applications deadlines for the big firms mostly seem to be 31 July two years in advance, but I'm not sure when applications open - I guess it varies from firm to firm. Again, smaller firms have a very different procedure.

Reply 33

When you say results, are the GDL and LPC done in a simple pass/fail method of marking?

Also, thanks for the advice on ECs Silence :smile:

Reply 34

tomdav
When you say results, are the GDL and LPC done in a simple pass/fail method of marking?

Also, thanks for the advice on ECs Silence :smile:


No, you can also get a commendation or distinction. The method of deciding on classifications varies from institution to institution, but as far as I know the percentages are 60% and 70% everywhere.

At my uni, we had to get a commendation or distinction in every single module on the GDL to get that category overall, but I know that isn't the same everywhere, which seems a bit unfair. For the LPC, we had to get an average of 60%/70% and get commendations/distinctions for 4 out of the 6 main exams. For a distinction I think you couldn't fail any of the other exams (there are quite a few that are just classified as competent/not yet competent) but I think you could fail 1 or 2 and still get a commendation overall.

Reply 35

dragon_1706
Applications deadlines for the big firms mostly seem to be 31 July two years in advance, but I'm not sure when applications open - I guess it varies from firm to firm. Again, smaller firms have a very different procedure.

so if you were to start the training contract upon finishing the LPC in 2010 (say september time), you'd apply before the 31st july deadline in 2008?

as a sidenote... on the CMS cameron mckenna site - http://gradrec.law-now.com/application/default.aspx - it seems that they are taking TC applications for 2011. when actually going through the online system, i think march '10 is the latest you can select, but i've emailed them asking about it as it does seem qutie a curious thing to say.

Reply 36

silence
so if you were to start the training contract upon finishing the LPC in 2010 (say september time), you'd apply before the 31st july deadline in 2008?

as a sidenote... on the CMS cameron mckenna site - http://gradrec.law-now.com/application/default.aspx - it seems that they are taking TC applications for 2011. when actually going through the online system, i think march '10 is the latest you can select, but i've emailed them asking about it as it does seem qutie a curious thing to say.

Yes, 31 July 2008 would be the relevant deadline. I don't know about that particular firm - maybe they've just set the application system up so that they don't need to change it! I certainly haven't come across anyone getting an offer 3 years in advance, though I do know some who got offers 2.5 years before they start (with a start date of March of the relevant year).

Reply 37

I am just about to start the GDL in September and i was wondering how i am supposed to apply for a training contract with a firm starting in 2009...when i havn't even started learning about law yet?
Certain law firms specialise in particular areas of law, so how on earth am i supposed to know two years in advance of what areas of law i want to specialise in?
:confused:

Reply 38

This thread was opened about 8 years ago, & I am in a similar position to you guys. I'm in my 2nd year of UCL (engineering, predicted 2.i, A*AB at A-Level) and was wondering what do I apply for first? Should I apply for a TC at the beginning of my third year? Or should I apply for a GDL place first?

Reply 39

Original post
by rah2
Applications for the first GDL round have to be in by the end of January so you apply for your GDL first. Remember only around 20%, sometimes less, of GDL-ers start the course with a TC. Firms really don't care where you do the GDL but some will pay the same maintenance grant wherever you so it can be sensible to choose somewhere like Nottingham or Cardiff, if you want to live well.



Need help please, I've quit my job to pursue a career as a solicitor. I am yet to complete my GDL course application as I am nervous that I haven't been able to secure a training contract yet.
I wanted to find a company that would also sponsor my LPC. Is there anyway around this? 10K is alot of money if I can't do anything with the diploma after to the extent that its just a useless piece of paper!
I'm stressing out so much! So many people have given me so much conflicting advise, some advise not to do the GDL and get a job whilst applying for firms to fund both the GDL and LPC? I also really struggle with the psychometric tests, so can anyone thing of any other way that I could do this?
Thanks in advance,
Emma

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