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    (Original post by MuniE)
    general question.. what is your opinion on the new housing blocks being built right now?
    what's that :confused: ?? if you're talkin about the wall in israel that's being built to stop palestinians getting into jerasulem, it's unfair :mad: :mad: !! (hope i dont sound to stupid if that's not wat ure talkin bout )
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    (Original post by yasminouchka)
    what's that :confused: ?? if you're talkin about the wall in israel that's being built to stop palestinians getting into jerasulem, it's unfair :mad: :mad: !! (hope i dont sound to stupid if that's not wat ure talkin bout )
    they just started to build a new housing block this week
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    (Original post by MuniE)
    they just started to build a new housing block this week
    well one day...theyre going to experience the consequences and theyll be screaming holocaust...or injustice ... or anti semitism... but by then people wouldve known their true nature. and by them i dont mean the jews, so dont jump to concs.
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    (Original post by ThornsnRoses)
    well one day...theyre going to experience the consequences and theyll be screaming holocaust...or injustice ... or anti semitism... but by then people wouldve known their true nature. and by them i dont mean the jews, so dont jump to concs.
    hahaha suuure we all know how much montreal residents like jewish ppl
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    (Original post by MuniE)
    hahaha suuure we all know how much montreal residents like jewish ppl
    i said dont jump...you can walk
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    (Original post by AntiLiberal)
    Some of you liberal idiots need to get your head out of the talmudvision and seek the truth about world events.

    http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scr...s/jdecwar.html
    I dont think its us that need a new opinion.
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    (Original post by ThornsnRoses)
    well one day...theyre going to experience the consequences and theyll be screaming holocaust...or injustice ... or anti semitism... but by then people wouldve known their true nature. and by them i dont mean the jews, so dont jump to concs.
    so who do you mean?
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    (Original post by AntiLiberal)
    Some of you liberal idiots need to get your head out of the talmudvision and seek the truth about world events.

    http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scr...s/jdecwar.html
    on that link where does the quote "the first shot fired in the Second World
    War." come from? it never makes it clear.
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    (Original post by Masonne)
    on that link where does the quote "the first shot fired in the Second World
    War." come from? it never makes it clear.
    dont go to that website it is a white nationalist site thats related to storm front.. its for supremacists
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    (Original post by MuniE)
    dont go to that website it is a white nationalist site thats related to storm front.. its for supremacists

    Thats the excuse for every website that isnt run by the jewish media.
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    (Original post by AntiLiberal)
    Thats the excuse for every website that isnt run by the jewish media.
    The website does seem quite offensive and not very historically accurate. So I don't know about other site that have been accused of being like this but I would deffinately agree with the original statement.
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    (Original post by MuniE)
    dont go to that website it is a white nationalist site thats related to storm front.. its for supremacists
    i realise that, but its still important to go and read that sort of stuff, whoever the site is run by or for. for example you cant argue with holocuast deniers if you dont know what they are saying. dont worry, just information gathering

    would still like to know where the quote is from though.
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    (Original post by AntiLiberal)
    Thats the excuse for every website that isnt run by the jewish media.
    and this idea is the excuse always used against any idea that refutes anti-semitic conspiracy theories.
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    (Original post by AntiLiberal)
    Thats the excuse for every website that isnt run by the jewish media.
    Well, I actually think Nizkor.org put it best when they explained why these conspiracy theories are so rediculous. Those who actually bother to adopt the most reasonable explanation may do so, others may continue to advocate their absent minded paranoia based on hatred. Heres why the neo-nazi theories are so rediculous:


    Pasted from: http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar01.html

    1. What proof exists that the Nazis practiced genocide or deliberately killed six million Jews?

    The IHR says (original, Samisdat, and revised versions combined):

    None. The only evidence is the postwar testimony of individual "survivors." This testimony is contradictory, and no "survivor" claims to have actually witnessed any gassing. There are no contemporaneous documents and no hard evidence whatsoever: no mounds of ashes, no crematoria capable of disposing of millions of corpses, no piles of clothes, no human soap, no lamp shades made of human skin, no records, no credible demographic statistics.

    Nizkor replies:

    Lie piled upon lie, with not a shred of proof.

    This is as good a place as any to present some detailed evidence which is consistently ignored, as a sort of primer on Holocaust denial. It will make this reply much longer than the other sixty-five, but perhaps the reader will understand the necessity for this.

    Let's look at their claims one at a time:


    Supposedly the only evidence, "the postwar testimony of individual survivors."
    First of all, consider the implicit conspiracy theory. Notice how the testimony of every single inmate of every Nazi camp is automatically dismissed as unconvincing. This total dismissal of inmates' testimony, along with the equally-total dismissal of the Nazis' own testimony (!), is the largest unspoken assumption of Holocaust-denial.

    This assumption, which is not often spelled out, is that the attempted Jewish genocide never took place, but rather that a secret conspiracy of Jews, starting around 1941, planted and forged myriad documents to prove that it did; then, after the war, they rounded up all the camp survivors and told them what to say.

    The conspirators also supposedly managed to torture hundreds of key Nazis into confessing to crimes which they never committed, or into framing their fellow Nazis for those crimes, and to plant hundreds of documents in Nazi files which were never discovered until after the war, and only then, in many cases, by sheer luck. Goebbels' diary, for example, was barely rescued from being sold as 7,000 pages of scrap paper, but buried in the scattered manuscript were several telling entries (as translated in Lochner, The Goebbels Diaries, 1948, pp. 86, 147-148):

    February 14, 1942: The Führer once again expressed his determination to clean up the Jews in Europe pitilessly. There must be no squeamish sentimentalism about it. The Jews have deserved the catastrophe that has now overtaken them. Their destruction will go hand in hand with the destruction of our enemies. We must hasten this process with cold ruthlessness.

    March 27, 1942: The procedure is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely. Not much will remain of the Jews. On the whole it can be said that about 60 per cent of them will have to be liquidated whereas only 40 per cent can be used for forced labor.

    Michael Shermer has pointed out that the Nazis' own estimate of the number of European Jews was eleven million, and sixty percent of eleven million is 6.6 million. This is fairly close to the actual figure. (Actually, forty percent was a serious overestimate of the survival rate of Jews who were captured, but there were many Jews who escaped.)

    In any case, most of the diary is quite mundane, and interesting only to historians. Did the supposed Jewish conspiracy forge seven thousand pages to insert just a few lines? How did they manage to know Goebbels' affairs intimately enough to avoid contradictions, e.g. putting him or his associates in the wrong city at the wrong date?

    As even the revisionist David Cole has admitted, revisionists have yet to provide a satisfactory explanation of this document.

    Regarding postwar testimony from Nazis, were they all tortured into confessing to heinous crimes which they supposedly did not commit? This might be believable if only a few Nazis were captured after the war, or maybe if some had courageously stood up in court and shouted to the world about the supposed attempt to silence them. But hundreds testified regarding the Holocaust, in trials dating from late 1945 until the 1960s. (For example, see Böck, Hofmann, Hössler, Klein, Münch, and Stark.)

    Many of these Nazis testified as witnesses and were not accused of crimes. What was the basis for their supposed coercion?

    Many of these trials were in German courts. Did the Germans torture their own countrymen? Well, Holocaust-deniers sometimes claim that the Jews have secretly infiltrated the German government and control everything about it. They prefer not to talk too much about this theory, however, because it is clearly on the lunatic fringe.

    The main point is that not one of these supposed torture victims -- in fifty years, not one -- has come forth to support the claim that testimony was coerced.

    On the contrary, confirmation and reconfirmation of their testimony has continued across the years. What coercion could have convinced Judge Konrad Morgen to testify to the crimes he witnessed at the International Nuremberg Trial in 1946, where he was not accused of any crime? And to later testify at the Auschwitz trial at Frankfurt, Germany, in 1963-65? What coercion was applied to SS Doctor Johann Kremer to make him testify in his own defense in 1947, and then, after having been convicted in both Poland and Germany, emerge after his release to testify again as a witness at the Frankfurt trial? What coercion was applied to Böck, Gerhard Hess, Hölblinger, Storch, and Wiebeck, all former SS men, all witnesses at Frankfurt, none accused of any crime there?

    Holocaust-deniers point to small discrepancies in testimonies to try to discredit them. The assumption, unstated, is that the reader will accept minor discrepancies as evidence of a vast, over-reaching Jewish conspiracy. This is clearly ludicrous.

    In fact, the discrepancies and minor errors in detail argue against, not for, the conspiracy theory. Why would the conspirators have given different information to different Nazis? In fact, if all the testimonies, from the Nazis' to the inmates', sounded too similar, it is certain that the Holocaust-deniers would cite that as evidence of a conspiracy.

    What supposed coercion could reach across four decades, to force former SS-Untersturmführer Dr. Hans Münch to give an interview, against the will of his family, on Swedish television? In the 1981 interview, he talked about Auschwitz:

    Interviewer: Isn't the ideology of extermination contrary to a doctor's ethical values?

    Münch: Yes, absolutely. There is no discussion. But I lived in that environment, and I tried in every possible way to avoid accepting it, but I had to live with it. What else could I have done? And I wasn't confronted with it directly until the order came that I and my superior and another one had to take part in the exterminations since the camp's doctors were overloaded and couldn't cope with it.

    Interviewer: I must ask something. Doubters claim that "special treatment" could mean anything. It didn't have to be extermination.

    Münch: "Special treatment" in the terminology of the concentration camp means physical extermination. If it was a question of more than a few people, where nothing else than gassing them was worthwhile, they were gassed.

    Interviewer: "Special treatment" was gassing?

    Münch: Yes, absolutely.

    And what supposed coercion could reach across four decades, to force former SS-Unterscharführer Franz Suchomel into giving an interview for the film Shoah? Speaking under (false) promises of anonymity, he told of the crimes committed at the Treblinka death camp (from the book Shoah, Claude Lanzmann, 1985, p. 54):

    Interviewer: You are a very important eyewitness, and you can explain what Treblinka was.

    Suchomel: But don't use my name.

    Interviewer: No, I promised. All right, you've arrived at Treblinka.

    Suchomel: So Stadie, the sarge, showed us the camps from end to end. Just as we went by, they were opening the gas-chamber doors, and people fell out like potatoes. Naturally, that horrified and appalled us. We went back and sat down on our suitcases and cried like old women.

    Each day one hundred Jews were chosen to drag the corpses to the mass graves. In the evening the Ukrainians drove those Jews into the gas chambers or shot them. Every day!

    Ask the deniers why they shrug off the testimony of Franz Suchomel. Greg Raven will tell you that "it is not evidence...bring me some evidence, please." Others will tell you that Suchomel and Münch were crazy, or hallucinating, or fantasizing.

    But the fantasy is obviously in the minds of those who choose to ignore the mass of evidence and believe instead in a hypothetical conspiracy, supported by nothing but their imaginations.

    That total lack of evidence is why the "conspiracy assumption" almost always remains an unspoken assumption. To our knowledge, there has not been one single solitary "revisionist" paper, article, speech, pamphlet, book, audiotape, videotape, or newsletter which provides any details about this supposed Jewish/Zionist conspiracy which did all the dirty work. Not one.

    Continues....
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    Jews have rewritten history more than once. Its taught worldwide that the US civil war was fought to free negro slaves. Nothing can be farther from the truth, that is jew lies at work yet again. The sooner you realize what is going on the sooner you can stop the travesty. The facts about the slaves are: the jews bought/brought them to the US. Mostly the jews owned them. Even in the south it was jews who owned the plantations and the slaves.

    So if the jews can coverup those bad deeds of theirs, what do you think happens to other world events? You get told what you should know and not what you should really know. It happens daily, just try watching the news.
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    (Original post by AntiLiberal)
    Jews have rewritten history more than once. Its taught worldwide that the US civil war was fought to free negro slaves. Nothing can be farther from the truth, that is jew lies at work yet again. The sooner you realize what is going on the sooner you can stop the travesty. The facts about the slaves are: the jews bought/brought them to the US. Mostly the jews owned them. Even in the south it was jews who owned the plantations and the slaves.

    So if the jews can coverup those bad deeds of theirs, what do you think happens to other world events? You get told what you should know and not what you should really know. It happens daily, just try watching the news.
    LOL you are so full of shite its incredible!
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    (Original post by AntiLiberal)
    Jews have rewritten history more than once. Its taught worldwide that the US civil war was fought to free negro slaves. Nothing can be farther from the truth, that is jew lies at work yet again. The sooner you realize what is going on the sooner you can stop the travesty. The facts about the slaves are: the jews bought/brought them to the US. Mostly the jews owned them. Even in the south it was jews who owned the plantations and the slaves.

    So if the jews can coverup those bad deeds of theirs, what do you think happens to other world events? You get told what you should know and not what you should really know. It happens daily, just try watching the news.
    where do you find this ****? storm front? ihatejews.com?
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    (Original post by MuniE)
    where do you find this ****? storm front? ihatejews.com?
    i think he may run that site
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    (Original post by AntiLiberal)
    Jews have rewritten history more than once. Its taught worldwide that the US civil war was fought to free negro slaves. Nothing can be farther from the truth, that is jew lies at work yet again. The sooner you realize what is going on the sooner you can stop the travesty. The facts about the slaves are: the jews bought/brought them to the US. Mostly the jews owned them. Even in the south it was jews who owned the plantations and the slaves.

    So if the jews can coverup those bad deeds of theirs, what do you think happens to other world events? You get told what you should know and not what you should really know. It happens daily, just try watching the news.
    I think you just brought further confimation to my previous post.
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    it won't be the first time accusations of the jewish involved in slavery, I don't know the facts but their is that view among many and I wouldn't be surprised. Can anyone tell me what race Abraham Lincoln was, cheers
 
 
 
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