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Kurds forced to hand territory back to ISIS by US and Turkey. watch

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    Only 2 weeks after the liberation of Manbij in Syria, the US and Turkey has forced Kurds to leave Manbij to ISIS and give up all the territory west of the Euphrates they've gained from the evil terror since December 2015. No doubt fearing airstrikes from Turkey and the US the Kurds are now leaving Manbij and retreating back over the Euphates.

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...apturing-isis/

    All the Kurdish martyrs, loss of lives and bravery has been for nothing. The glee and happiness of the people of Manbij at the end of their ordeal under ISIS is over as they face the return of ISIS and more genocide.

    The reason are that Turkey does not want a free Kurdistan along its border and that to compensate ISIS for taking land from ISIS on the Turkish border the Turks want to give land back to ISIS and that means the Kurds must go.

    Secondly the Yanks want rid of Assad. That's their main objective and they've seen that ISIS has got weaker since the Kurds cut their supply routes. Palmyra recently fell to Assads regime forces. The US believes that forcing Kurds to retreat will allow Daesh to reclaim territory lost to the regime and help topple Assad.

    So toppling Assad is more important to the US than helping the Kurds or defeating ISIS.
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    These areas belong to Arabs and Turkomens. Noone should be able to steal these lands to create their illegal states under the pretext of figthing ISIS. We wont allow that.
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    (Original post by SemiteLog)
    These areas belong to Arabs and Turkomens. Noone should be able to steal these lands to create their illegal states under the pretext of figthing ISIS. We wont allow that.
    The SDF includes a number of Arab groups who are actually from that area originally, and they have every right to be there. Unlike Turkey and their chosen rebel groups, many of which have been brought in from other areas of Idlib and Aleppo province. The rebel groups in this assault also include the Noureddine Zinki group, who recently beheaded a child and who have comitted all sorts of other human rights abuses.

    And quite a few of the villages in the Manbij area are also Kurdish rather than Arab.

    The whole point of the YPG/SDF is that they don't have a state and they want some form of autonomy. So your "illegal" argument is completely pointless. I could just as easily call the Turkish intervention illegal, considering it involves land legally part of Syria and it has apparently not been done with the consent of the Syrian government. These stupid legalistic fantasies go both ways you know.
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    But ISIS has right to take it? Since when and why?
    The Kurds have more spirit than anyone in the area. They have no state, everybody want to fight them (exept from Asad who started to cooperate with them lately because when everyone fight against everyone, an alliance must appear, as the theory of games says), and still, they were able to survive, fight ISIS, and together with Asad they are capable of winning with ISIS.

    (Original post by SemiteLog)
    We wont allow that.
    You probably won't but this frantic attempt to keep almost worthless land finds no explanation. Is this only Kurdophobia, or there is something else? Oil, minerals? Pipelines? But this conflict is older than them.

    (Original post by SemiteLog)
    These areas belong to Arabs and Turkomens. Noone should be able to steal these lands to create their illegal states under the pretext of figthing ISIS. We wont allow that.
    Ohh, cut it out. The integrity rule replaced self-determination to assure stability and protect interests of powers, but this police goes nowhere in this case. The Kurds proove too vital to be stopped, you may take whole Syria, and you want stop them. A nation with so strong identity and used to fight doesn't just calm down, it fights untill it cease to exist.
    We have peace mid Europe, because every nation has it's own state. If Poland was in Russia, or If Ukraine and Belarus were stll part of Poland, uprisings would never end.
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    (Original post by SemiteLog)
    We wont allow that.
    As if you have any say on strategic decisions at that level.
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    good. soon Assad shall win this war, it is merely a matter of time. the more blood i see spill of traitors fills me with more pleasure. the kurds, ISIS and the SDF are all the same - traitors, and they should be treated as such. Death to all who oppose Assad!
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    im actually an Iraqi-Kurd
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)

    Secondly the Yanks want rid of Assad. That's their main objective and they've seen that ISIS has got weaker since the Kurds cut their supply routes. Palmyra recently fell to Assads regime forces. The US believes that forcing Kurds to retreat will allow Daesh to reclaim territory lost to the regime and help topple Assad.

    So toppling Assad is more important to the US than helping the Kurds or defeating ISIS.
    A showdown beetwen the US and Russia if I follow the facts.
    The two countries have culture much more similar to each other, than US has to any in the Middle East, set the place on fire in pointless competion for influence and resources, while Turkey breaks human rights and turns to islamic route, and situation in Europe and Middle East is getting out of control. US and Europe with Russia together would achieve everything, but no. Let's destroy most secular nation in the Middle East, support fundamentalists around, and waste money on tanks and planes placed in mid-Europe, because of anachronistic, suspicious, fear based policy supported with lack of understanding and respect for other nations and wish to put their noses everywhere.
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    (Original post by Razamataz666)
    good. soon Assad shall win this war, it is merely a matter of time. the more blood i see spill of traitors fills me with more pleasure. the kurds, ISIS and the SDF are all the same - traitors, and they should be treated as such. Death to all who oppose Assad!
    You're seriously trying to say that a relatively secular organisation with a pretty clean human rights record is in any way similar to a genocidal Islamist terrorist organisation?

    The Kurds have long been heavily discriminated against by the Syrian government, and since the 60s a good chunk of them weren't even considered citizens after having it stripped from them during a census. They owe absolutely nothing to the Syrian government, and certainly not loyalty.
 
 
 
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