Why don't liberals care about the role of Islam and Arabs in enslaving Africans?

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In the United States it has become acceptable to blame the white community for the actions of their ancestors in enslaving around half a million black Africans. However, if the white community is expected to take responsibility for the actions of its ancestral past, then I don't understand the unwillingness to denounce the Arab community given that their role in enslaving Africans was on a much greater scale. The number of people enslaved by Muslims has been a hotly debated topic, especially when the millions of Africans forced from their homelands are considered. However, some historians estimate that between A.D. 650 and 1900, 10 to 20 million people were enslaved by Arab slave traders. Others believe over 20 million enslaved Africans alone had been delivered through the trans-Sahara route alone to the Islamic world. Dr. John Alembellah Azumah in his 2001 book, The Legacy of Arab-Islam in Africa estimates that over 80 million Black people more died en route.

Arab Enslavers Practiced Genetic Warfare

The Arab slave trade typically dealt in the sale of castrated male slaves. Black boys between the age of 8 and 12 had their scrotums and penises completely amputated to prevent them from reproducing. About six of every 10 boys bled to death during the procedure, according to some sources, but the high price brought by eunuchs on the market made the practice profitable.

Some men were castrated to be eunuchs in domestic service and the practice of neutering male slaves was not limited to only Black males. “The calipha in Baghdad at the beginning of the 10th Century had 7,000 black eunuchs and 4,000 white eunuchs in his palace,” writes author Ronald Segal in his 2002 book, Islam’s Black Slaves: The Other Black Diaspora.

Arab Slave Trade Inspired Arab Racism Toward Blacks

Its important to note that Arab is not a racial classification; an Arab is almost like an American in that people classified as Arab today could be Caucasian (white people), Asiatic or even Arabized Africans. In the beginning there was some level of mutual respect between the Blacks and the more lighter skinned Arabs. However, as Islam and the demand for enslaved Blacks grew, so did racism toward Africans.

As casual association with Black skin and slave began to be established, racist attitudes towards Blacks began to manifest in Arabic language and literature. The word for slave – Abid – became a colloquialism for African. Other words such as Haratin express social inferiority of Africans.

Arab Enslavers Targeted Women For Rape

The eastern Arab slave trade dealt primarily with African women, maintaining a ratio of two women for each man. These women and young girls were used by Arabs and other Asians as concubines and menials.

A Muslim slaveholder was entitled by law to the sexual enjoyment of his slave women. Filling the harems of wealthy Arabs, African women bore them a host of children.

This abuse of African women would continue for nearly 1, 200 years.

Arab Slave Trade Ushered in The European Slave Trade

The Arab slave trade in the 19th century was economically tied to the European trade of Africans. New opportunities of exploitation were provided by the transatlantic slave trade and this sent Arab slavers into overdrive.

The Portuguese (on the Swahili coast) profited directly and were responsible for a boom in the Arab trade. Meanwhile on the West African coast, the Portuguese found Muslim merchants entrenched along the African coast as far as the Bight of Benin. These European enslavers found they could make considerable amounts of gold transporting enslaved Africans from one trading post to another, along the Atlantic coast.

The Arab Slave Trade Sparked One of The Largest Slave Rebellions in History

The Zanj Rebellion took place near the city of Basra, located in present-day southern Iraq, over a period of fifteen years (A.D. 869–883). The insurrection is believed to have involved enslaved Africans (Zanj) who had originally been captured from the African Great Lakes region and areas further south in East Africa.

Basran landowners had brought several thousand East African Zanj people into southern Iraq to drain the salt marshes in the east. The landowners forced the Zanj, who generally spoke no Arabic, into heavy slave labor and provided them with only minimal subsistence. The harsh treatment sparked an uprising that grew to involve over 500,000 enslaved and free men who were imported from across the Muslim empire.

Arab Enslavers Avoided Teaching Islam to Blacks to Justify Enslaving Them

According to some historians, Islam prohibited freeborn Muslims from being enslaved, so it was not in the interest for Arab slavers to convert enslaved Africans to the religion. Since converting enslaved Africans to Muslim would grant them more rights and reduce the potential reservoir of people to enslave, propagators of Islam often revealed a cautious attitude toward proselytizing Africans.

Still, if an African converted to Islam he was not guaranteed freedom nor did it confer freedom to their children. Only children of slaves or non-Muslim prisoners of war could become slaves, never a freeborn Muslim.

The Time Period

The Arab slave trade was the longest yet least discussed of the two major slave trades. It began in seventh century as Arabs and other Asians poured into northern and eastern Africa under the banner of Islam. The Arab trade of Blacks in Southeast Africa predates the European transatlantic slave trade by 700 years. Some scholars say the Arab slave trade continued in one form or another up until the 1960s, however, slavery in Mauritania was criminalized as recently as August 2007.

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Because the entire world was more violent, brutal and oppressive 100+ years ago, or even millennia ago as touched by this thread. Not just Islam.
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Because the entire world was more violent, brutal and oppressive 100+ years ago, or even millennia ago as touched by this thread. Not just Islam.
Because the entire world was more violent, brutal and oppressive 100+ years ago, or even millennia ago as touched by this thread. Not just white slave owners.

Once again your powers of reasoning are fascinating to watch unfolding.

I am serious as well. You see someone say something about Islam. Your first reaction is to think of the first thing that sounds like it might counter the particular argument used to criticize it. You then proclaim it from the rooftops. Yet you completely fail to critically evaluate your argument and its implications.

It is quite shocking to what lengths you go, in order to propagate your agenda on here.
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Because it doesn't suit their narrative.
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Because trying to spread the blame further does not diminish it.
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I agree with what you've said and would add further that it could be argued that the Arab slave trade was even worse compared to the trans Atlantic slave trade due to castration and how most slaves were captured through raids compared to the Europeans who majority of the times traded.However it's very dishonest to say that "half a million black Africans" were enslaved by Americans yet made a statement about the Arab slave trade which doesn't include one country but a dozen of other Arab countries who profited from it.

Just before the liberation for black people in the south, there was in total more than 4 million African slaves in South of America let alone the whole country so your figure of half a million couldn't be further from the truth.

It would be fair if you compared the trans Atlantic slave trade to the Arab slave trade, if you compare the figures - they're roughly the same.
As we all know, it wasn't just America who profited from the slave trades but other European nations too, both slave trades are estimated to be between 10-20 million, other than that I agree with the rest of your statement
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I agree with what you've said and would add further that it could be argued that the Arab slave trade was even worse compared to the trans Atlantic slave trade due to castration and how most slaves were captured through raids compared to the Europeans who majority of the times traded.However it's very dishonest to say that "half a million black Africans" were enslaved by Americans yet made a statement about the Arab slave trade which doesn't include one country but a dozen of other Arab countries who profited from it.

Just before the liberation for black people in the south, there was in total more than 4 million African slaves in South of America let alone the whole country so your figure of half a million couldn't be further from the truth.

It would be fair if you compared the trans Atlantic slave trade to the Arab slave trade, if you compare the figures - they're roughly the same.
As we all know, it wasn't just America who profited from the slave trades but other European nations too, both slave trades are estimated to be between 10-20 million, other than that I agree with the rest of your statement
The other thing that's common in the 'Arab Slaving Was as Bad as European/American Slaving' debate is that the proponents often muddle the timescales. The figures generally quoted for Arab slaving from Africa cover a very long period, they quote back from some research done in the 70s that covered roughly 1000 years of Arab slaving in that continent. The usual figures for slaving to the Americas cover the period 1650 - 1830 or thereabouts.

Also it's hard to research the true extent of Arab slaving in Africa. The white slavers who ran slaves into South and North America often kept records. The Arab slavers mostly didn't. There are additional research difficulties, as you point out, about slaving into South America. This featured in the earlier stages of European slaving into the Americas and is poorly documented. The total numbers are mainly estimates based on the current levels of the black-descended population in South America and Latin America generally, but those are prone to error, as they may miss the very high death rates in slave trafficking and other factors. Then we have the fact that slaves in South and Central America were often indigenous peoples, not just people from Africa.

Figures given for British-controlled slavery are also often simply estimates.
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Funny how black slave owners rarely get mentioned.
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Typical ignorance from people who love blaming the religion for the actions of 0.001%. I love how they can't do Math. But they ignore every single thing done by their race. They ignore the good things done by the religion and just focus on the bad.
0.001%? You, my friend, are delusional.

A report conducted by TruthRevolt shows that an estimated 600 million Muslims possess views which would be considered radical in the western in the western world, this includes the persecution of same sex couples and the mistreatment of women as equals in society. Even here in Britain, an extensive poll commissioned by Channel 4 shows that Muslims still manifest views which are completely incompatible with western society. For instance, 39% of Muslims believe a woman should always obey their husband and a further 52% believe homosexuality should be illegal. The United Kingdom should not pander itself to social barbarism because it's clear that moderate Islam has no place in any open and tolerant society.

When you speak of Islamic extremism, your proclamation that radical Islam only accounts for "0.001%" of the Muslim population is nothing but hysterical hyperbole. In 2014 Pew Research conducted a poll in Muslim countries asking about their favourability of Islamic State. Shockingly - one in ten Muslim in Nigeria, Malaysia and Pakistan stay they have a favourable opinion of Islamic State; and even more shockingly - only 28% of Pakistanis say they have an unfavourable view of Islamic State compared to 100% in Lebanon.

No one is denying the actions of western interventionism in perpetrating war and violence in the Middle East, but this post asked nothing of the sorts. Islam is a particularly heinous religion. Muslim countries exude high levels of corruption, high levels of poverty and high levels persecution as a result of an adherence to a backward set of ideals which has stagnated societal progression. Here's a fun fact: Muslim countries, barring Bosnia and Albania, are the only countries in the world, barring a few nondeveloped countries in sub-Saharan Africa, not to sign the UN's declaration of nondiscrimination against the LGB+ community and to persecute gays for engaging in same-sex sexual activity.

So please, stop pandering to your skewed religious narrative and accept the failings of Islam to assimilate into the new world order. Secular Islam is possible - as it was practiced in Turkey, Iran and Indonesia until not so long ago - however the newfound acceptance of religious fundamentalism in policy and politics should never be welcomed and hence why we should welcome wholesale denunciation of regressive views which are incompatible with the west.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA

"There was a mututal respect between light skinned Arabs and black people before islam"
The worst enslavement period was during pre islam. But due to the fact that slavery was so entrenched in Arab culture that Islam merely reduced it but couldnt put a full stop to it. And unlike the European/American slave trade it wasnt race specific. Persians and Europeans were also enslaved. And btw, by saying "yeh we did slavery but so did the Arabs" doesn't negate how barbaric your ancestors were and the legacy they left behind is still noticeable today.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA

"There was a mututal respect between light skinned Arabs and black people before islam"
The worst enslavement period was during pre islam. But due to the fact that slavery was so entrenched in Arab culture that Islam merely reduced it but couldnt put a full stop to it. And unlike the European/American slave trade it wasnt race specific. Persians and Europeans were also enslaved. And btw, by saying "yeh we did slavery but so did the Arabs" doesn't negate how barbaric your ancestors were and the legacy they left behind is still noticeable today.
"At the peak of black slavery in the South, only 6 percent of Southern whites owned slaves. If you include the white people in the North, it means that only 1.4 percent of white Americans owned black slaves at the HEIGHT of slavery."

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So I don't know how accurate it is to say the OPs ancestors were barbaric...assuming he's even from America in the first place.

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"Of the 10 to 15 million Africans who were transplanted to the New World, no more than 6 percent—around 400,000—went to the Northern Hemisphere. Almost all of them went to South America."
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I'm a liberal and am writing an entire dissertation that centres around modern day slavery in Saudi Arabia.

I also hear a lot about Arab slavery on the Internet and criticisms of the treatment of blue-collar workers in the GCC by human rights organisation, but right-wingers seem to get triggered if anyone so much as mentions US slavery. Whenever a movie about slavery in the US is released, it triggers criticism from butt-hurt right-wingers.

Michelle Obama can't even mention slaves building the White House as part of an inspirational speech to show how far America has come without some right-winger looking for evidence on how well fed the slaves were and how good their accommodation was.
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I would love to know the percentage of slaves unlawfully taken by Arabic people in those times. In actual Islam, we have very specific rules, that some see as protecting slaves rights and encouraging their liberation. For example, Islamic texts say if you beat a slaved person you must free them. And freeing someone from slavery is compulsory sometimes.

I wonder what happened to the enslaved African population of Arabic countries, most of these countries have one ethnic/racial identity? And who recorded slavery in Islamic empires, as far as I know population statistics weren't recorded.
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I agree with what you've said and would add further that it could be argued that the Arab slave trade was even worse compared to the trans Atlantic slave trade due to castration and how most slaves were captured through raids compared to the Europeans who majority of the times traded.However it's very dishonest to say that "half a million black Africans" were enslaved by Americans yet made a statement about the Arab slave trade which doesn't include one country but a dozen of other Arab countries who profited from it.

Just before the liberation for black people in the south, there was in total more than 4 million African slaves in South of America let alone the whole country so your figure of half a million couldn't be further from the truth.

It would be fair if you compared the trans Atlantic slave trade to the Arab slave trade, if you compare the figures - they're roughly the same.
As we all know, it wasn't just America who profited from the slave trades but other European nations too, both slave trades are estimated to be between 10-20 million, other than that I agree with the rest of your statement
Thank you. It's disgusting how they try and downplay the trans-Atlantic slave trade through deceitful tactics just to try and prove that it wasn't as bad as the Arab slave trade. Both were abhorrent, so comparing the two by saying "at least we didn't do such and such" doesn't look good on either side. My ancestors were slaves of a historically English family in the Caribbean, yet they conveniently leave out the enslavement of Africans on a mass scale in the Caribbean and South America to make the numbers lower.
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I'm a liberal and am writing an entire dissertation that centres around modern day slavery in Saudi Arabia.

I also hear a lot about Arab slavery on the Internet and criticisms of the treatment of blue-collar workers in the GCC by human rights organisation, but right-wingers seem to get triggered if anyone so much as mentions US slavery. Whenever a movie about slavery in the US is released, it triggers criticism from butt-hurt right-wingers.

Michelle Obama can't even mention slaves building the White House as part of an inspirational speech to show how far America has come without some right-winger looking for evidence on how well fed the slaves were and how good their accommodation was.
Yet, there seems to be a sense of denial in the liberal political sphere as to the existence of the Arab Slave Trade despite its pertinence in enslaving millions of black men and women for forced work and manipulation.

No one is trying to downplay the Atlantic Slave Trade, but it has become commonplace to demean and berate the white community in the US for the actions of their ancestry whereas no such hate is directed at the Arab community. Racism is much worse in the Arab world than it is in the white world, yet there seems to be a common misconception that slavery is a white "invention" and that white countries are the most racist.

Slavery is still in existence even today in Saudi Arabia; there was an advertisement which went viral a few days ago in Arabic selling an "African male - castrated".
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Because white racists are just using it to divert their racist xenophobic bigotry to others in order to absolve their own deeds.
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Because white racists are just using it to divert their racist xenophobic bigotry to others in order to absolve their own deeds.
Hysterical. Nonconstructive. Hypocritical. You're all of them.
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Yet, there seems to be a sense of denial in the liberal political sphere as to the existence of the Arab Slave Trade despite its pertinence in enslaving millions of black men and women for forced work and manipulation.

No one is trying to downplay the Atlantic Slave Trade, but it has become commonplace to demean and berate the white community in the US for the actions of their ancestry whereas no such hate is directed at the Arab community. Racism is much worse in the Arab world than it is in the white world, yet there seems to be a common misconception that slavery is a white "invention" and that white countries are the most racist.

Slavery is still in existence even today in Saudi Arabia; there was an advertisement which went viral a few days ago in Arabic selling an "African male - castrated".
Since I'm the one who has written 15000 words about it, I don't need you educating me on slavery in Saudi Arabia.

Nor do I come across liberals who deny the Arab slave trade. They may talk about it less, as it is less relevant to the country that they live in but few of them would actually deny it.

I don't think the Arab-American community would agree that they don't have mass hatred directed at them (for other reasons) but that's another topic.

And counting the number of Africans enslaved only by a specific country in a specific time period against the number that many countries enslaved over a vast time period is an attempt to downplay the trans-Atlantic slave trade.
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Honestly, for someone who loves to remind us they're doing a degree in International Law you sure don't take well to people who try and tackle your point of view. I'd even call you immature.

The Arab Slave Trade existed for much longer than the Atlantic Slave Trade, spanning for over fourteen centuries as oppose to the Atlantic Slave Trade which lasted for a little over three centuries; not to mention the atrocious castration of blacks during the Arab Trade to prevent them from procreating. Also, Africans enslaved during the Arab Slave Trade wasn't exclusive to one country; it was existent in Tunisia, Egypt, Morocco as well as Saudi Arabia.

As I said, no one is trying to downplay the Atlantic Slave Trade and your saying so is a conspiracy founded off benign paranoia which you can't support with evidence, but instead proclaim the narrative in order to silence discussion regarding the matter. If we can't have a rational conversation regarding the subject matter without threat of being labelled a racist then therein lies a fundamental issue.

There is a lot of hypocrisy when it comes to leftism.
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