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    Today I did an hour trial shift in a local pub pulling pints. Not sure whether it's the right thing for me or not. The clients were generally nice, but when I spoke to the manager after wards, he seemed to be expecting me to dive into any trouble, break up fights and sling out unruly punters and protect the waitresses and keep them out of harm's way, because aside from him, I'd be the only male staff member on, except for the cooks.*

    I thought that would usually be the job of the management and/or bouncers. I'm not getting myself bottled for minimum wage, 14 hour a day, 7 day a week shift, and I can just see myself ending up being prosecuted for using force in some way without having any SIA licence or anything.

    Are bartenders usually expected to double as bouncers? I haven't worked in a pub before, but I was under the impression that you generally stay behind the bar, cut people off and tell them to leave if they start geting rowdy, and if they get violent, call the police?
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    No you shouldn't do this. That's a bouncers job or you call the police.

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    (Original post by XMaramena)

    for minimum wage, 14 hour a day, 7 day a week shift
    I would think thats a bigger problem.
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    No it's not usually expected of barmen to act as bounchers (although some bartenders of either sex who have SIA badges might do this).
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    (Original post by arcenciel21)
    I would think thats a bigger problem.
    They would need me every day, 11am - 1am. Hour before opening, hour before closing.*Fridays and Saturdays will be 11am - 2am. So I think that works out at a 100 hour week.


    I've just been told that's not allowed though, so not sure how to go about saying that without angering the manager.*
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    (Original post by XMaramena)
    They would need me every day, 11am - 1am. Hour before opening, hour before closing.*Fridays and Saturdays will be 11am - 2am. So I think that works out at a 100 hour week.


    I've just been told that's not allowed though, so not sure how to go about saying that without angering the manager.*
    Lol are you serious? Why did you take this job? Are you homeless? It's not like you will actually be able to work those hours. Did you get hired in a Nazi labour camp or something?
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    (Original post by XMaramena)
    They would need me every day, 11am - 1am. Hour before opening, hour before closing.*Fridays and Saturdays will be 11am - 2am. So I think that works out at a 100 hour week.


    I've just been told that's not allowed though, so not sure how to go about saying that without angering the manager.*
    That's more than twice the legal amount of weekly working hours, there are some jobs were there are acceptions but a bartender isn't one of them. Have you actually accepted the job yet?*
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    (Original post by gemmam)
    That's more than twice the legal amount of weekly working hours, there are some jobs were there are acceptions but a bartender isn't one of them. Have you actually accepted the job yet?*
    No, but part of the employment contract is opting out of the 48 hour limit.
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    (Original post by XMaramena)
    They would need me every day, 11am - 1am. Hour before opening, hour before closing.*Fridays and Saturdays will be 11am - 2am. So I think that works out at a 100 hour week.


    I've just been told that's not allowed though, so not sure how to go about saying that without angering the manager.*
    They might ask you to sign out of the working time directive so you agree to more than 48 hours a week. That's pretty normal to be honest and most people will sign that as they want more than 48 hours a week.

    But even then, if you are working either a 14 or 15 hour shift, you are entitled to at least one 20 minute break. You are also supposed to be entitled to a 11 hours rest between shifts (this seems to suggest you'd only have 9 or 10) and you should have either one full day off a week or two full days off a fortnight. So this shift pattern is failing on many levels. I think you should ask them about how breaks work on shift and also whether the working pattern could be more flexible to meet the working time regulations.

    Obviously many people work shift patterns that don't meet the legal requirements though and are happy to do so, or feel they haven't got the choice to say no to them. But the pattern of hours with the "security" requirements seem a little dodgy to me.


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    (Original post by XMaramena)
    No, but part of the employment contract is opting out of the 48 hour limit.
    If I was in your position I wouldn't accept it. I agree with J-SP that it seems dodgy; they're expecting too much from you. *
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    Text him a link to a government website which states the limit on the number of hours you can work.
    On a side note, your manager sounds dodgy and is trying to squeeze as much out from you as he possibly can
 
 
 
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