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*What is your political alignment?
Political Party of Choice: Liberal Democrats
Political Identification: Libertarian Centre-Left
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*What is your political alignment?
Political Party of Choice: Liberal Democrats
Political Identification: Libertarian Centre-Left
Political Party of Choice: Depends where I am living if in the UK due to the stupid FPTP system, I would vote for UKIP or The Conservative Party
Political Identification: Centre / Centre Right.
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My views are kinda a mix of different ideas. I support the NHS and pretty much all public services we already have in this country. I also support gun control. However, despite this, I definitely sympathise with the individualism of libertarianism, and I very much support liberal ideas such as freedom of speech, large amounts of civil libery. I think people are ultimately first and foremost responsible for themselves. But if I feel something works by making life noticeably better, I think it is pragmatic to keep it. Thus why I support the UK's gun control and the NHS. I would also support decriminalising most drugs, as the drug war has clearly been a failure, and I support opening publicly funded rehab centres, as I think getting addicts off drugs is going to be a benefit to the economy, despite the tax costs. I also support heavier immigration laws, although specifically to countries that have cultures which are at odds with our liberal values. I think mass immigration has been a bit of a mess, thus why I think it needs to curbed. I sympathise with the Brexit vote because I dislike the EU, and I think the UK's elected party should be in charge of the UK.

I consider myself a pragmatic liberal, and a liberal that believes that liberal society needs to be stood up for passionately in order for it to continue existing, otherwise the illiberal will destroy it. It is thus, paradoxically, necessary to be intolerant to intolerance in order for any amount of tolerance to continue existing, as Karl Popper pointed out.

I don't have many views that I come to by way of a bleeding heart, I like to try and think pragmatically about what generally works and what doesn't.
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Political Party of Choice: Labour(depending on their future direction) or Lib Dems.
Political Identification: Centre-Left/Social Democrat

I don't associate myself with the SJW fruitcake brigade.
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Political Party of Choice: Labour(depending on their future direction) or Lib Dems.
Political Identification: Centre-Left/Social Democrat

I don't associate myself with the SJW fruitcake brigade.
Just a party that enabled the mass sexual assault of thousands of little children.
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Political Party of Choice: Conservative (would also support a more centrist third party if a credible one ever arose).
Political Identification: Centre-Right (One Nation Conservative, approximately)

I find my views fluctuate at times, but not significantly. I support maintaining a liberal society and protecting free speech, I don't support having large numbers of immigrants from cultures too dissimilar to our own but I do support EU membership because I live in hope that it could reform and grow into something much better than it is today. I actually sympathise with some aspects of European federalism, I think it would be a very powerful country for example, but at the same time I understand people wanting to keep control closer to home. I am sad that we voted to leave, but I am hopeful that we can still make a success of Brexit. Economically I am quite torn, I don't want large taxes because that essentially amounts to stealing from people, but I recognise the need for and support a number of public services such as the NHS. I think the poor are disadvantaged in life compared to the rich, and this is a problem we should try and alleviate, but at the same time I don't think people should be penalised for being successful when quite frankly some individuals in our society are quite content not to even try at school or work and don't deserve to live in as much luxury as those that do. The problem with this is that their children then suffer for their parents' negligence. Therefore I think the best solution is to try to invoke a culture change among such people to show them that you can succeed regardless of your origins and that it's much better to be an active member of society, and that those who are in a privileged position already should try to make this a reality. Overall though I think ideology should be used as a vague guide to determine what you want to aim for, whilst pragmatism should be the tool for achieving this. Sometimes it is necessary to forgo ideological ideas for pragmatic policies.

I think I agree with KingBradly on most issues he mentioned in his post tbh
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Just a party that enabled the mass sexual assault of thousands of little children.
Eh?
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Eh?
The Labour Party, the most evil party to have ever existed in this country.
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The Labour Party, the most evil party to have ever existed in this country.
Really? I could claim that current Tory policies are indirectly killing disabled people.
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Really? I could claim that current Tory policies are indirectly killing disabled people.
The actions of the Labour Party allowed the sexual assault, rape and even torture of little children to take place, how can you support a party like that?

That is not even considering how the Labour Party have attempted to permanently destroy British homogeneity, I'm not really sure which is worse.

At least the crazy SJW's don't actually have power directly.
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Political party of choice: Labour

Political identification: Democratic Socialist, proper pragmatic socialism, not the fashionable SJWs and the middle class 'Marxists' who have destroyed our ideology by infesting it with this liberal metropolitan regressive nonsense
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*What is your political alignment?
Political Party of Choice: Liberal Democrats
Political Identification: Libertarian Centre-Left
Political Party of Choice: Labour, but if they don't sort their **** out, I'll vote Lib Dem or Green.
Political Identification: I don't really have a classification. Using the left/right and libertarian/authoritarian axes, I am far-left, far-libertarian, but of course libertarianism in itself tends to espouse economically right wing views. Basically, I believe in personal freedom provided nobody is harmed (not including the individual themselves, that is - e.g. if someone wants to take potentially harmful drugs, it's their prerogative), but I think that left-wing economic policies are required in society to at least make some effort to tackle inequality, poverty, environmental damage, corporate monopolies, etc. (incidentally I mean real inequality, not based in bull**** factors like race or gender - this is why I find it hard to be affiliated with a party like Green sometimes, as they will promote things like affirmative action)
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Political party of choice: Labour

Political identification: Democratic Socialist, proper pragmatic socialism, not the fashionable SJWs and the middle class 'Marxists' who have destroyed our ideology by infesting it with this liberal metropolitan regressive nonsense
How many more little girls must have been sexually abused before the number would be too many for you to not support Labour?
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The actions of the Labour Party allowed the sexual assault, rape and even torture of little children to take place, how can you support a party like that?

That is not even considering how the Labour Party have attempted to permanently destroy British homogeneity, I'm not really sure which is worse.

At least the crazy SJW's don't actually have power directly.
I support their principles of equality and a fair deal for working people, not the mistakes of the previous leadership. The Blair years were a success economically but the uber-PC culture that emerged and allowed this to happen was a disaster.

If it wasn't for Labour and the Unions we'd all still be borderline slaves to the aristocracy.
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Political Party of Choice: Labour, but if they don't sort their **** out, I'll vote Lib Dem or Green.
Political Identification: I don't really have a classification. Using the left/right and libertarian/authoritarian axes, I am far-left, far-libertarian, but of course libertarianism in itself tends to espouse economically right wing views. Basically, I believe in personal freedom provided nobody is harmed (not including the individual themselves, that is - e.g. if someone wants to take potentially harmful drugs, it's their prerogative), but I think that left-wing economic policies are required in society to at least make some effort to tackle inequality, poverty, environmental damage, corporate monopolies, etc. (incidentally I mean real inequality, not based in bull**** factors like race or gender - this is why I find it hard to be affiliated with a party like Green sometimes, as they will promote things like affirmative action)
This is what Labour also do with their all women shortlists and their "this is what a feminist looks like" t-shirts in parliament.

Also, see my above comment.
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I support their principles of equality and a fair deal for working people, not the mistakes of the previous leadership. The Blair years were a success economically but the uber-PC culture that emerged and allowed this to happen was a disaster.

If it wasn't for Labour and the Unions we'd all still be borderline slaves to the aristocracy.

Utter rubbish, we would be just like the other nations in the Western world that don't have such conditions and don't have a Labour party.

I do distinguish between the Labour party of old and the current party. The old Labour party I have some respect for, but not the current, how can you support a party (I am referring to Labour in its current state), that has done what it has done / doing regarding little girls in places such as Rotherham?
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How can you support a party that treats people like this?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10474474.html
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Political Party of Choice: Labour(depending on their future direction) or Lib Dems.
Political Identification: Centre-Left/Social Democrat

I don't associate myself with the SJW fruitcake brigade.
(Original post by Redmonds)
Political party of choice: Labour

Political identification: Democratic Socialist, proper pragmatic socialism, not the fashionable SJWs and the middle class 'Marxists' who have destroyed our ideology by infesting it with this liberal metropolitan regressive nonsense
Yous are sound fellas, Attlee's style of left wing is what we need rather than those divvies who make us look soft
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[QUOTE=JamesN88;67331642]The_Opinion

How can you support a party that treats people like this?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...tml[/QUOTE]

JamesN88

First, I never said that I support the Conservatives. Also, the article offers no proof that those people would not have died anyway. If someone has an illnesses they could die as a result of that illness if they are at work or sitting at home. Also, the article does not say how many died as a result of the illness / disability of which they were already not working.

For example, if someone is not working due to one condition, if they were to die of an unrelated, undiagnosed issue, that is not the fault of the government.

The figures also don't show how many people who did not have to go back to work and stayed at home died, a comparison would be nice.

You also didn't answer me about how many children need to be sexually assaulted.
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Ever notice how Jews in the West are so progressive but not so much in Israel?

In that it's the Jews who advocate open immigration, no borders, promote homosexuality, gender bending, race mixing.. of non-Jews.

These things are considered to be anti-racist, progressive.. but if you can't see any sinister motive behind them, then you're very naive.

Imagine if lets say Arabs promoted race mixing of Jewish women with Black men. It was was all over the media, from movies, magazines, even music videos. How would Jews feel?

What if they advocated open door immigration that destroys Israel's Jewish population and then called Jews fascists to oppose?

That is the Jewish Left that controls the West today. It's straight out of the Frankfurt school.
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