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Because governments, international organizations, and investment banks hire you at disproportionate rates
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exacly. justified or not, its what happens, so my point is valid.

i get a feeling these are like size doesnt matter arguments. A lot of intricate arguments get put forward about it being the love making, or the motion of the ocean when deep down, everyone knows size matters.
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(Original post by Consie)
exacly. justified or not, its what happens, so my point is valid.

i get a feeling these are like size doesnt matter arguments. A lot of intricate arguments get put forward about it being the love making, or the motion of the ocean when deep down, everyone knows size matters.
Well, you could argue that someone who has insecurity issues (perhaps similar to your size analogy) would be more likely to care about prestige, when employability is actually better coming out of LSE (according to the GUG).

Guys with small...umm...feet...tend to go for the Ferrari, if you get what I mean :p:
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i just know if i get to oxford im going to get a tag people who dont go to oxford get, and im going to make a ****ing wad of cash when i graduate.

but then, i might get AAB and miss my offer :P
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i just know if i get to oxford im going to get a tag people who dont go to oxford get, and im going to make a ****ing wad of cash when i graduate.

but then, i might get AAB and miss my offer :P
Uhm, I hope you were being sarcastic, as history is generally not associated with massive wealth.
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Uhm, I hope you were being sarcastic, as history is generally not associated with massive wealth.
a massive proportion of Goldman's equity/M&A ontake did history this year. the subjects dont matter really, you just need to be clever.
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If LSE were to offer one-to-one tutorials it would definitively kick Oxbridge's ass at nearly all subjects it offers.
Yes, but crucially, LSE doesn't offer one-to-one tutorials.

From what I've heard, LSE's undergraduate teaching leaves a fair amount to be desired.

(Original post by shady lane)
And a handful of US universities already kick Oxbridge's ass.
Well, I think Harvard and Stanford are the only two that I would rate as being, in general, stronger universities than Oxbridge. MIT only offers half the subjects, Princeton is very small (though very good), Yale's strength is towards the arts/creative arts. And given that 'Oxbridge' is always in the top 10 in global league tables, I don't think it's correct to say that it 'gets its ass kicked'. The difference is hardly massive.
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(Original post by shady lane)
Well, you could argue that someone who has insecurity issues (perhaps similar to your size analogy) would be more likely to care about prestige, when employability is actually better coming out of LSE (according to the GUG).

Guys with small...umm...feet...tend to go for the Ferrari, if you get what I mean :p:
Hmm, it most definitely will not be better for undergrad; LSE is certainly not at the top end of the scale in that department. For postgrad, however, the place really comes into its own from what I know. I guess almost all its courses are employable as well, given the nature of the institution; highly analytical social sciences and humanities, rigorous interdisciplinary regional/area studies, and of course more vocational, specialised degrees like management/HR/Law.
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The statistics are on my side; LSE students have better graduate prospects and destinations in most subjects.

I'm not saying LSE is better than Oxbridge for undergrad; if you like tutorials, clearly it's not. But I don't think the difference is big, either in the difficulty of the courses or the quality of the students. Remember that entry standards in league tables don't consider foreign qualifications, which something 60% of LSE students enter with.

The "LSE is for Oxbridge rejects" is a very UK-centric view. Many foreign students consider LSE to be on par with Oxbridge and select it as their first choice uni. This is even more so the case at postgrad, where nearly everyone's first choice (at least in my subject area) was LSE.
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a massive proportion of Goldman's equity/M&A ontake did history this year. the subjects dont matter really, you just need to be clever.
I seriously doubt that this is true. "Massive proportion" seems to be a major exaggeration.
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i dont think it is, i dont have stats though. Put it this way, having an economics degree from LSE doesnt put you at an advantage really, whatever layman logic/LSE fanboys might say.
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Look at the graduate destinations:
History: LSE beats Oxford http://www.thegooduniversityguide.or...ted_table=hist

Economics: LSE beats Oxford http://www.thegooduniversityguide.or...ted_table=econ

Georgraphy: LSE beats Oxford and Cambridge http://www.thegooduniversityguide.or...ted_table=geog
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Cambridge seems streets ahead.
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but WHERE ARE THEY GOING?
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To town!
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But for the history tables, not only is Oxford beaten by LSE (plausible) but Durham, KCL and Roehampton? so using these tables surely cant be a very reliable indicator of graduate employability in high-end professions since i doubt that KCL and especially Roehampton history grads have better employment prospects than Oxford history grads
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but WHERE ARE THEY GOING?
The table says it's the % of students in graduate employment or further study. So Oxford having a lower score means that their students are either not working, or they are working in non-graduate positions.
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But for the history tables, not only is Oxford beaten by LSE (plausible) but Durham, KCL and Roehampton? so using these tables surely cant be a very reliable indicator of graduate employability in high-end professions since i doubt that KCL and especially Roehampton history grads have better employment prospects than Oxford history grads
The figures come from the Higher Education Statistics Agency, not the league table itself.

So yes, Roehampton, Durham, and KCL history grads are more likely to be in postgraduate study or graduate jobs than Oxford grads.
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The figures come from the Higher Education Statistics Agency, not the league table itself.

So yes, Roehampton, Durham, and KCL history grads are more likely to be in postgraduate study or graduate jobs than Oxford grads.
k fair point but we all know that in most cases the calibre of postgrad dept/ employer is more important in terms of graduate destinations
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k fair point but we all know that in most cases the calibre of postgrad dept/ employer is more important in terms of graduate destinations
Well, I think getting an MA even at a mediocre university or working on the Tesco graduate scheme are a more productive way to spend the first two years out of uni (that's what the HESA looks at) than working at the Vue Cinema or some other non-graduate job. But then, perhaps 25% of Oxford graduates go on gap years...who knows.
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