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    (Original post by shady lane)
    The figures come from the Higher Education Statistics Agency, not the league table itself.

    So yes, Roehampton, Durham, and KCL history grads are more likely to be in postgraduate study or graduate jobs than Oxford grads.
    Well, a good number of my friends in the year above who got Firsts and high 2.1s at Cambridge are spending a year travelling or working in restaurants while deciding what to do with their futures because they couldn't be bothered to sort out any high class employment or grad study while in final year. Obviously, they could walk into pretty much any grad job that doesn't need a specific type of degree to start. So I wouldn't set much store by those figures. Same goes for Oxford.
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    (Original post by shady lane)
    Well, I think getting an MA even at a mediocre university or working on the Tesco graduate scheme are a more productive way to spend the first two years out of uni (that's what the HESA looks at) than working at the Vue Cinema or some other non-graduate job. But then, perhaps 25% of Oxford graduates go on gap years...who knows.
    Quite possible.
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    Shady don't you think those employability stats are rather biased through sample selection? People who go to LSE are the most career focused in the country, so you can't just look at the people coming out and say "look how many are going to banking/law/MC blah blah blah" because that's not indicative of the effect that going to LSE has on graduate career prospects.
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    you cant base your argument around a league table. AS people had said, places like KCL beat Oxford, even Dundee rivals i, when its quite clear Oxford is a better university than these two.

    I bet you the majority of people who apply to places like LSE, Warwick, Durham ect also apply to Oxford. Most are likely to be straight A high fliers. I also bet you that, upon getting an offer from Oxford and then an offer from LSE or Warwick, Oxford would be their firm. Its silly to deny this. Oxbrdige has a reputation, as i said justified or not, which indicates you're the man. Plenty of other unis convey 'ah that’s a good uni, he must be a clever chap' whereas Oxbridge is like 'he went to Oxbridge, enough said'.

    Additionally, its really more a case of degrees getting you on the job lists for jobs. Places like Warwick, Durham, Bristol and Oxbridge are all going to get you on interview lists for e.g. big IB firms ect. Past that point, it’s more down to the individual in question rather than what they are on paper or where they came from, given interviews by their very nature try to get past how people look on paper. In that respect, Oxbridge is most certainly at no disadvantage and places like LSE aren’t at any sort of clear, or even negligible, advantage. As I’ve probably said several times anyway, and I think Pendragon has pointed this out, isn’t LSE seen as a bit of a fashionable fun place for continental European and various other international students to come over and do a nice (if expensive)degree?

    In real terms, an Oxbridge degree is just going to get you on the interview lists like good degrees from other top unis are, the Oxbridge degree might give you a slight advantage. I’m not really talking about the superiority of Oxbridge in these terms, I’m talking of it more in terms of its status within the academic, employment and general culture, Oxbridge always has the edge reputation/prestige wise, and no matter how superficial that is, it matters, that’s why every year so many applicants apply to try to get in on it. As I’ve also said, I could probably enjoy history just as much as, say, Warwick or Liverpool, Liverpool would probably happily do the job in terms of me actually learning about things, but its more a case of getting in on other establishments reputations, and Oxbridge has the biggest.
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    (Original post by andthatswhy)
    On a different note, Durham, the kind of people who go there, is there not a certain Durham type? Why can't I shake off notions of rugby, binge drinking and really crappy ents.
    Wow, what a good point.

    Is there not a certain Oxbridge type? Why can't I shake off notions of snobbery, Eton, workaholics and people who can't get laid/socialise?

    Is there not a certain Imperial type? Why can't I shake off notions of swathes of geeky blokes who have no interest in getting laid?

    Is there not a certain Loughborough type? Why can't I shake off notinos of super-fit athletes who have no interest in anything but sport?

    Is there not a certain LSE type? Why can't I shake off notions of super-rich Europeans and Americans whose daddies own countries and who all want to work in Investment Banking?

    Is there not a certain American type? Why can't I shake off notions of a greasy, vastly obese person with McDonalds still clutched in hand?



    Don't be so pathetic. Random, blind generalisation. I know from experience that none of my above examples is true. And I know from equal amounts of experience that your ridiculous point is also untrue and inaccurate.
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    (Original post by andthatswhy)
    Shady don't you think those employability stats are rather biased through sample selection? People who go to LSE are the most career focused in the country, so you can't just look at the people coming out and say "look how many are going to banking/law/MC blah blah blah" because that's not indicative of the effect that going to LSE has on graduate career prospects.
    1/3 of LSE graduates are in further study 2 years after graduation. I wouldn't call that extremely career focused. There's a solid academic/intellctual core of students. And to be perfectly honest, the LSE-banking obsession is massively exaggerated. The vast majority of my department have no idea what an investment bank does.
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    shady, if you're into league tables, doesnt CAmbridge (if you dont like Oxford) cain LSE in most categories? I think differences of 5 points or so mean nothing, differences of 50 or 100 points might mean something, but little. Im not big on these tables in general, but if you like using them to back up argument about LSE, surely the times table shoots you in the foot?

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/display...102571,00.html

    You can use the student staff ratio argument and say that LSE is slight ahead, but Leicester cians just about everyone with its ratio and is a average uni.
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    What exactly do you think my argument is? Nothing in that table disproves what I've said. In the subjects that it offers, LSE is neck-and-neck with Oxbridge. And the Times still shows LSE having better graduate prospects than Oxford.
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    well, slightly less.
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    (Original post by shady lane)
    1/3 of LSE graduates are in further study 2 years after graduation. I wouldn't call that extremely career focused. There's a solid academic/intellctual core of students. And to be perfectly honest, the LSE-banking obsession is massively exaggerated. The vast majority of my department have no idea what an investment bank does.

    Was that international relations? I can't remember. If so, then obviously that department won't be focussed on banking so much as the economics/maths/accounting/finance departments
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    LSE having better graduate prospects than Oxford.
    But that’s my point. To employers, Oxford and Cambridge are largely inseparable, its not as if one goes 'pffft, he only went to Oxford, whereas this one went to Cambridge'. The difference is, LSE is separated from Oxbridge. Its Oxbridge, then the rest. Even if the margins are very small.

    As I said though, getting a degree from a top uni is likely to get us all on the interview lists of the major banks anyway, it’s just a case of being the man when you go to interview, then its more down to the individual rather than the institution they studied at for a bit.

    So its semi pointless to squabble about it, but if we are going to squabble, then Oxbridge is till top dog.
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    Stop the squabbling... who cares in the grand scheme of things?

    At the end of the day, everyone knows that overall, Oxbridge >>> LSE.
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    Even Shady knows it. :p:
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    But is in a HUGE state of denial :p:
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    Now that everyones established through trite argument that Oxford > LSE should that be reason enough for me to reapply?
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    (Original post by Fossi2)
    Now that everyones established through trite argument that Oxford > LSE should that be reason enough for me to reapply?
    I really would stick with the LSE offer if I were you. Trust me, it will get you on the interview list in practically any big city job (with the exception of only the most ridiculously blinkered, traditionalist companies) in the same way that Oxbridge would, provided you average a 2.1. And at least part of your degree will be in the specialist subject of a world renowned school of economics and political science. I really would take it. So what if Oxbridge>LSE by some smallish margin? A top of the range Aston Martin>a top of the range Jaguar, but both will achieve pretty much the same ends and in simalar style, to all intents and purposes, and the Jag is still one HELL of a lot better than what 95% people will have, in the same way that what you have is better than what 95% of sixth form leavers will be doing. Chin up Chin up. Not worth reapplying if you ask me, but then, your life. Good luck.
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    (Original post by Niccolo)
    I really would stick with the LSE offer if I were you. Trust me, it will get you on the interview list in practically any big city job (with the exception of only the most ridiculously blinkered, traditionalist companies) in the same way that Oxbridge would, provided you average a 2.1. And at least part of your degree will be in the specialist subject of a world renowned school of economics and political science. I really would take it. So what if Oxbridge>LSE by some smallish margin? A top of the range Aston Martin>a top of the range Jaguar, but both will achieve pretty much the same ends and in simalar style, to all intents and purposes, and the Jag is still one HELL of a lot better than what 95% people will have, in the same way that what you have is better than what 95% of sixth form leavers will be doing. Chin up Chin up. Not worth reapplying if you ask me, but then, your life. Good luck.
    I agree.
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