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    Hi guys, so for most of us college has started again and those reading this will probably be studying A2 law. The 2016 thread was made in may this year, so i thought I'd make it much sooner .

    As a little introduction to those who will be posting on the thread,

    How do did you do at AS Law?
    How are you finding Unit 3 or Unit 4 so far?
    Have you got any questions and do you need any help?

    Also if you have any exam material or sample essays, just like i saw on last years i intend to make a database with all the model answers over the next few weeks, so just pm me or post on this thread.

    Good luck with A2 Law everyone
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    How do did you do at AS Law?

    So at AS i got in,

    Law01 - 83 UMS.
    Law02 - 84 UMS.
    So overall i got 167 UMS, which is a A.

    How are you finding Unit 3 or Unit 4 so far?

    I'm finding unit 3 okay so far. All we've been taught is involuntary manslaughter and one or two of the defences. Essay timings are a lot different to last year, but I think i can get my head around it soon. We've also been taught a little bit of unit 4, a topic called judicial precedence.
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    I've just finished doing A2 Law and have quite a few good essays as well as some revision material if anyone's interested
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    (Original post by Econnerd)
    I've just finished doing A2 Law and have quite a few good essays as well as some revision material if anyone's interested
    Would you mind sending me some so i can start collating a database of Law model answers, it would be greatly appreciated
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    I go back on Tuesday 6th but we started A2 Law before we left for summer. We've started murder already which is actually okay atm.

    AS- B Law01:81
    Law02:77 (getting a remark)
    Total:158

    Was really hoping for an A* at A2 but seeing as the papers were marked so harshly I'm not counting my chickens
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    (Original post by AfcFob)
    I go back on Tuesday 6th but we started A2 Law before we left for summer. We've started murder already which is actually okay atm.

    AS- B Law01:81
    Law02:77 (getting a remark)
    Total:158

    Was really hoping for an A* at A2 but seeing as the papers were marked so harshly I'm not counting my chickens
    Don't lose confidence in an A* just yet, i was feeling the exact same a few days ago, but at A2 all the law just seems to click at lot easier, so all your answers will probably be of higher quality this year
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    (Original post by BR1999)
    Don't lose confidence in an A* just yet, i was feeling the exact same a few days ago, but at A2 all the law just seems to click at lot easier, so all your answers will probably be of higher quality this year
    I'm hoping so, and I'm defo going to revise more this year because I want to do Oxford biology so I need as many A*'s as possible and until I got my AS (I was so surprised that it wasn't an A) I thought it would be an easy A* but I'm not so sure now
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    (Original post by AfcFob)
    I'm hoping so, and I'm defo going to revise more this year because I want to do Oxford biology so I need as many A*'s as possible and until I got my AS (I was so surprised that it wasn't an A) I thought it would be an easy A* but I'm not so sure now
    I'm planning to do law at cambirdge and i was banking on an A* prediction, but unless my remark goes up my at least 9 UMS my teacher refuses to give me that prediction. I opened my results and i looked at unit 1 and i was so shocked because I'd had 85 + marks on every paper and in this one i got 73. I think it should be easy to get an A* in unit 3, but i feel unit 4 might be quite hard to get one in .
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    Not even looked at Law04 yet, from what Ive done Law03 seems okay and a possible A* but idk, I'll need to wait until I've done it all to see where I think I'll stand with it all.

    Good luck with Cambridge Law!! We need all the luck were going to get with Oxbridge
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    (Original post by AfcFob)
    Not even looked at Law04 yet, from what Ive done Law03 seems okay and a possible A* but idk, I'll need to wait until I've done it all to see where I think I'll stand with it all.

    Good luck with Cambridge Law!! We need all the luck were going to get with Oxbridge
    I know we do
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    How do did you do at AS Law?
    B. Remarking or resitting unit 1 - our teacher made an official complaint to our exam officer about our entire class' grades. Got papers back and he thinks marked wrong

    How are you finding Unit 3 or Unit 4 so far?
    Easier than unit 1 and 2 by far. I did murder/manslaughter etc. at GCSE so it's a walk in the park for me right now.

    Have you got any questions and do you need any help?
    I need help with economi- haha nevermind we'll just ignore this section.
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    (Original post by Muttski)
    How do did you do at AS Law?
    B. Remarking or resitting unit 1 - our teacher made an official complaint to our exam officer about our entire class' grades. Got papers back and he thinks marked wrong

    How are you finding Unit 3 or Unit 4 so far?
    Easier than unit 1 and 2 by far. I did murder/manslaughter etc. at GCSE so it's a walk in the park for me right now.

    Have you got any questions and do you need any help?
    I need help with economi- haha nevermind we'll just ignore this section.
    Ahaha , how did your economics mock go?
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    How do did you do at AS Law?
    I somehow got an A despite messing up majorly in the exams (in LAW02, I completely missed out the chain of causation for the Q where the guy ended up with brain damage)
    LAW01 - 80
    LAW02 - 83
    I really can't mess up in A2 but I'm so glad I can bank those marks

    How are you finding Unit 3 or Unit 4 so far?
    They're... okay, I'm doing theft in LAW04 and murder (and the defences) in LAW03 (and we've already done a model answer for one of the essays for LAW04 but I was pretty lucky since our teacher chose to do interpretation as one of them which we covered in LAW01). Theft is soo boring and I barely understand it and we haven't even done MR yet

    I feel so late to the party hahahaha, I was actually just looking for a thread of law applicants for university

    (Original post by BR1999)
    I'm planning to do law at cambirdge and i was banking on an A* prediction, but unless my remark goes up my at least 9 UMS my teacher refuses to give me that prediction. I opened my results and i looked at unit 1 and i was so shocked because I'd had 85 + marks on every paper and in this one i got 73. I think it should be easy to get an A* in unit 3, but i feel unit 4 might be quite hard to get one in .
    good luck for cambridge! do you know what college you're going to apply to, or are you doing an open application? I was gonna apply to caius and gonville for law but after my AS's that dream went out the window lmao
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    how did you do at AS?
    I got A's in both units (can't remember UMS)

    How are you finding Law 03/04?
    Just started it really, just finished murder and are currently doing involuntary
    manslaughter (personally feel like the pace were going at is too slow and plus got
    new teachers)

    Also thinking of doing Law at Oxford...
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    Veeeery late to the party but:

    How do did you do at AS Law? A, 90something percent, can't quite remember exactly
    How are you finding Unit 3 or Unit 4 so far? Unit 3 and 4 are going great for the offences against the person and property, the concepts of law essay questions however are quite tedious....
    Have you got any questions and do you need any help? Nope!

    How are you all finding the course content and revision this year? What are you all hoping to get? I've only been dropping 1/2 marks on application/essay questions and mocks this year (with a very harsh marking teacher) so hoping for an A* - gonna need to put in some hard work though!
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    I'm very late also but:
    How do did you do at AS Law?
    I got an A overall, my UMS were as follows:
    LAW01 - 84
    LAW02 - 78
    I was pleased with this, just so glad they count towards my final grade!

    How are you finding Unit 3 or Unit 4 so far?
    I love LAW03! I can do the answers in time and everything and I'm feeling ready for the exam! LAW04 is a completely different matter. Starting concepts next week when we return after Easter, however I hate property offences. I like the theory and I find them interesting, but I seriously cannot write them in the time limits! It just took me 50 minutes to write a 25 marker! How the hell can I cut this down?
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    Does anyone have any predictions for what questions may come up in 03 and 04?? x
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    (Original post by mads2)
    Does anyone have any predictions for what questions may come up in 03 and 04?? x
    I think for unit 3 the evaluation q will be on general defences or murder, I guess For unit 4 concepts I'm going to learn all 3 (were doing fault, creativity and morals) but I've got a feeling fault is likely to come, it's hard to predict for concepts as questions do repeat so the wisest thing to do would be to learn them all. For scenario questions it's usually a combination of everything, so it's better to learn all the offences (esp for unit4 learn all the sections and rules) hope this helps! 😀
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    Thank you soo much!! x
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    hey guys, hows revision going?
    had a unit4 mock today and just realised how little time we have! (it was the 2016 paper scenario1). I've just finished my model answer on the evaluation of general defences and could you take a look at it (bt my teacher gave it 19/25). thanks a lot and feel free to ask me anything (personally think im better at the scenario q's)

    Write a critical evaluation of two of the general defences in criminal law, and suggest what reforms may improve one of your chosen defences.
    The defence of intoxication- where the D argues that his intoxicated state caused him to commit a crime, therefore lacks the necessary MR, has been heavily criticised.
    A criticism of the defence of intoxication refers to the distinction made between specific and basic intent crimes, the Law Commission (LC) report in 2009 states that the terms basic and specific are confusing and misleading and stated that the defence of intoxication is “patchy in its coverage of offences, because the split between basic and specific intent crimes is not based on a coherent policy”. Although Majewski stated the distinction between specific intent crimes (like murder) and basic intent crimes (like assault) was the former required a MR of intent and the latter could be committed recklessly, however judges failed to agree on a definition of basic and specific intent. This issue was raised in the case of Heard, where the court had to decide if the offence of sexual assault s.3 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 was one of specific/basic intent. In Heard the CA noted that not all offences could be categorised as specific or basic and some had elements of both, thus leaving the distinction unclear.
    Another criticism of this defence is that regarding basic intent crimes and voluntary intoxication, the law is based upon public policy rather than balancing the proof of fault on behalf of D. The decision of Majewski was that the D could not rely on the defence of voluntary intoxication for committing an assault (a basic intent crime), because voluntary intoxication is a reckless course of conduct and recklessness is sufficient for the MR of assault (and other basic intent crimes). However, this undermines the subjective nature of recklessness, Cunningham stated that a D is reckless if he foresaw the risk of actual consequences (the AR) and proceeded anyway. However, at the time of getting intoxicated the D wouldn’t have foreseen the risk of committing an offence, i.e. Majewski wouldn’t have foreseen the risk of assaulting police officers when getting intoxicated. Furthermore, this also conflicts with rule of contemporaneity- that the AR and MR must coincide. As seen in Majewski where the offence was committed (AR) after the D got intoxicated (MR).
    Furthermore, in relation to, where a D’s inhibitions are broken down by being made intoxicated involuntarily, the law seems a little unfair. The decision in Kingston, that a drugged intent is still an intent, ignored the fact that the intoxication had weakened D’s self-control, nevertheless was involuntary and that D was not to blame for his intoxication. Without the actions of another the crime would not have happened, the CA also felt that D should have acquitted.
    Another defence which has also received criticism is the defence of insanity- this is where the D claims he was suffering from a defect of reason, caused by an internal disease of the mind, that caused him to not know the nature and quality of his act or that it was legally wrong.
    One criticism with the law of insanity is that that the label insanity itself is stigmatising. The LC 2012 paper “Insanity and Automatism” states that people who should rely on this defence don’t and instead plead guilty to avoid stigma, further shown by the fact there are only 30 pleas of insanity a year, yet a large proportion of prisoners still have mental health problems. A successful defence will lead to a person being not guilty by reason of insanity, thus bring with it the stigmatising label of insane and misleadingly thought to be medically insane.
    To tackle the issue of the law being stigmatising and inaccurate, it was proposed in the Draft Criminal Code of 1989 that the term “insanity” should be replaced with “mental disorder”. Also, another proposed reform was that there should be new defence without an insulting verdict (in the IA 2012 paper): ‘Not criminally responsible by reason of recognised medical condition’. This eradicates the word “insanity” and perhaps creates less of a stigmatising effect, should the defendant plead this successfully.
    Another criticism of the law on insanity is regarding the use of internal and external tests as causes of disease of the mind. As stated above disease of the mind is a legal term, and since this must be caused by an internal condition this has led D’s with common medical conditions such as sleepwalking (Burgess), epilepsy (Sullivan) and arteriosclerosis (Kemp), being classed as insane, who are not recognised as such by the public and the medical profession. For diabetics, the situation is further complicated, if the D was hypoglycaemic (too much insulin), this is classed as external and thus the D would use the defence of automatism (Quick). However, if D was hyperglycaemic (not enough insulin), this is classed as an internal cause, thus D would use the defence of insanity as seen in Hennessy. The diabetic who was hyperglycaemic would have the social stigma of being classed as legally insane, yet the one who was hypoglycaemic can get a total acquittal if successful. Clearly this is an injustice since diabetes can easily be controlled by drugs, yet depending on whether your hypoglycaemic/ hyperglycaemic you can be classed insane. Perhaps therefore Lord Justice Davis calls it “illogical and little short of a disgrace” and even goes so far to say that the differentiation between “external” and “internal” cause should be abolished.
    One proposed reform that could help the above issue according to Criminal Liability: insanity and automatism [2013] is that clearer distinctions could be made between insanity and automatism. Firstly, the accused would not be held criminally responsible only where he lacked the capacity to conform to the law and had a recognised medical condition which caused a total lack of capacity to reason, understand wrongfulness or an inability to control his physical actions. The main difference between the insanity and automatism would be that for insanity, incapacity must arise from a qualifying recognised medical condition. This prevents conditions like diabetes resulting in unfair and bogus sentences.
    Furthermore, another criticism of insanity comes from the decision found in Windle, that the D must not know that his act was legally wrong to use the defence of insanity, regardless of whether he didn’t know that the act was morally wrong. This has led to the defence of insanity being too narrow as it excludes some of the very cases it originally seeks to protect society from. For example, cases such as Byrne where the D was suffering from irresistible impulses, yet knew it was legally wrong to kill but just couldn’t help himself due to his mental condition, wouldn’t be able to use the defence. As the Butler Committee pointed out in 1975, “this is too narrow an interpretation for even people who are grossly disturbed generally know that murder and arson, for instance are crimes”.
    One suggestion for reform regarding this issue was made by the Royal Commission on Capital Punishment, they suggested that M’Naughten rules should be extended so a D would be considered insane if he was incapable of preventing himself from committing a crime (regardless of whether he knew it was legally wrong). However, the government introduced the defence of Diminished Responsibility, this gives a special defence to those charged with murder and would allow D’s like Byrne to use this defence since they wouldn’t meet the requirements for the defence of insanity. However, a key point to note is that Diminished Responsibility is a special defence only for murder this means people who commit crimes other than murder and knew their act was legally wrong cannot rely on the defence of insanity.
 
 
 
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