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I watched the debate yesterday, and it was all so interesting ,but I honestly couldn't decide if I prefer Jeremy Corbyn or Owen Smith to lead Labour.
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Support JC anyway, so not impartial, but thought Jezza came across very well. Thought he had so much more substance than Smith. Smith's response to the NHS question (throw more money at it) grated me.

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For me Corbyn lost all of my respect not just on the issue of trident but also as he is an advocate of quack medicine and wants it on the NHS.
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jeremy aint great, but owen is ****. so jeremy for sure.

I used to like jeremy a lot more (i still like him; but he has some fault and his fan club just dont accept it; his ket snorting middle class fan club also need to see that he also has some fault he needs to fix) i've grown up in a very working class area and working class, and his politics speaks to me; i mean look at the guys track record and his personal life; it speaks for it self, i also live 10 mins from his constituency and can see his work first hand. i could go on on why i like him more, but ill sound like a broken record. i do disagree with some of the stuff he says, like i support trident and some other stuff, so i dont think hes greatm but rarely does someone 100% agree with the person they support.

Owen is just another mouthpiece and he's more electable than jeremy with his 2nd referendum... I mean how can he claim hes more electable ? he just 100% aint .. who the hell even is this guy .. he doesnt even have a decent track record.

if someone decent was agaisnt jeremy maybe we could have had a new leader but sadly were not. if owen gets elected labout aint gonna win the next G.E thats for sure, the guys 100% more unelectable than jeremy IMO. I mean whos willing to support him over jeremy ?
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(Original post by Hedgehog1)
For me Corbyn lost all of my respect not just on the issue of trident but also as he is an advocate of quack medicine and wants it on the NHS.
"Quack medicine?"

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Corbyn is the worst polling opposition leader in history, that's why the Tories want him to keep the job.

There's more chance of Farage becoming an EU Commissioner that Corbyn being PM.
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Not a fan of either... I agree more with Smiths ideas, but I dont trust him at all.. Corbyn I disagree with, but I do feel like if he had power he would follow through with his ideas..

So what do you pick. someone who wont do what you like, or someone who will do what you dont like?

Doesnt really matter as I am not a labour voter, but if I was, I would not be happy that these two are the best choices the party has to offer..
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(Original post by That Bearded Man)
Support JC anyway, so not impartial, but thought Jezza came across very well.
A guy referred to as'Jezza,' (a nickname that makes him sound like Nicki Minaj's next music video ass grinding guy) isn't ever going to be taken seriously as a politician.

His ideas are too left.The media hates him. And most of his fans are school kids.

In contrast Owen Smith has the charisma of a goldfish.

In short, neither come across well and it doesn't matter because neither will ever win an election.
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Jezza for the win
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(Original post by hollywoodbudgie)
A guy referred to as'Jezza,' (a nickname that makes him sound like Nicki Minaj's next music video ass grinding guy) isn't ever going to be taken seriously as a politician.
Actually his nickname is Jezbollah I believe............(and this was since before he ran for leader and the media talked ever about him before you cultists say it)
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Theresa May all the way
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i don't care who is. Labour is evil, it should apologise for the war in iraq, or excommunicate themselves from TB....that's what he deserves to be called, his initials are a disease.
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(Original post by hollywoodbudgie)
A guy referred to as'Jezza,' (a nickname that makes him sound like Nicki Minaj's next music video ass grinding guy) isn't ever going to be taken seriously as a politician.

His ideas are too left.The media hates him. And most of his fans are school kids.

In contrast Owen Smith has the charisma of a goldfish.

In short, neither come across well and it doesn't matter because neither will ever win an election.
Thanks for making my day :laugh:
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Neither.

Also I think it speaks volumes about the labour party and their attitude to actual left wing organisations when leadership candidates are not even slightly concerend by ruthlesly attavking rhe SWP and AWL.
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If I were a Labour voter (I'm not) then I would vote for Owen Smith, but neither of them are going to win a general election. It's more a question of how many seats they will lose respectively, because they sure as hell aren't going to gain any.
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It's this debate that makes me thankful I am not obsessed with politics like some. Corbyn certainly has some interesting ideas and despite his recent PR disaster involving a train and ample seating he seems to be one of the more genuine politicians around. Smith's links to pharmacy seem someone shady but Labour needs a leader capable of setting them up for realistic chances in an election... And with Corbyn's current popularity ratings with the general public seems a far more likely candidate to achieve that.
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(Original post by VMD100)
It's this debate that makes me thankful I am not obsessed with politics like some. Corbyn certainly has some interesting ideas and despite his recent PR disaster involving a train and ample seating he seems to be one of the more genuine politicians around. Smith's links to pharmacy seem someone shady but Labour needs a leader capable of setting them up for realistic chances in an election... And with Corbyn's current popularity ratings with the general public seems a far more likely candidate to achieve that.
The problem is though his cultists ignore all negative opinion polls as some kind of conspiracy by the mainstream media.

They think cheering crowds at rallies equates to widespread public support, but can't fathom that centre-ground swing voters(the people who decide elections and aren't as bothered about politics) don't go to rallies or join political parties.
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Neither.

Also I think it speaks volumes about the labour party and their attitude to actual left wing organisations when leadership candidates are not even slightly concerend by ruthlesly attavking rhe SWP and AWL.
No credible mainstream party would want to associate itself with extremists. It would be like the Tories not condemning the BNP or the National Front.
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No credible mainstream party would want to associate itself with extremists. It would be like the Tories not condemning the BNP or the National Front.
I don't think either of those parties are extremist, but thats a matter of opinion. My point is that it demonstrates just how far they have come from their so called socialist routes that when an actual socialist party is mentioned they run around screaming their heads off to discredit them as quickly as possible.

Frankly I don't expect the Labour party to be cosy bed fellows with actual socialists, I am just surprised that they are so willing to demonize and exclude left wing opinions from their own dialogue.
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(Original post by Hedgehog1)
he is an advocate of quack medicine and wants it on the NHS.
Could you expand on this a bit? I've seen Corbyn criticised loads for other things (trident being one of the fairly common ones), but I'd never heard of this particular concern before.
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