A158 – Manifesto Amendment

    • Thread Starter
    Online

    3
    ReputationRep:
    A158 – Manifesto Amendment
    Proposed by: Quamquam123 MP (LAB)
    Seconded by: TheDefiniteArticle MP (LAB), Unown Uzer (UKIP), adam9317 (CON), PetrosAC (LIB), hazzer1998 (UKIP)
    Manifesto Amendment
    This House shall adjust the Guidance Document as follows:

    In the Guidance Document, amend clause 4 in the General Elections section from:

    4) Manifestos submitted must be less than 450 words.
    i) Manifestos may not contain more than two image files.
    ii) Manifestos may not contain audio or video files.
    iii) Manifestos may not contain pictures of, or quotes attributed to, any real-life figure, living or dead, political or otherwise.
    iv) Where a manifesto is received with more than 450 words, the Speaker will cut the manifesto at the 450-word mark.

    to:

    4) Manifestos submitted must be less than 600 words.
    i) Manifestos may not contain more than four image files.
    ii) Manifestos may contain a maximum of one audio file and one video file.
    iii) Where a manifesto is received with more than 600 words, the Speaker will cut the manifesto at the 600-word mark.



    Notes:

    The aim of this amendment is to give parties more options when creating general election manifestos both in terms of length and content by increasing the word limit to 600 words, permitting 4 images and allowing the inclusion of an audio and/or video file.

    For a party which is trying to be successful in a general election, 450 words is sometimes not enough to cover all the policies the party supports, what the party has achieved and what the party can offer theelectorate in the future. Expanding the word limit to 600 words would allow parties to express themselves better without having to compromise on the content of the manifesto. However, 600 words is not too high that it will lead to overly drawn-out manifestos and besides, parties won’t be forced to writethat much if they don’t want to. By including a maximum of one video file andone audio file, parties will have the chance to convey themselves in a way which isn’t necessarily possible through words alone. The inclusion of suchitems in manifestos will help to make the decision-making stage at general elections more interesting.
    Online

    3
    ReputationRep:
    Refer to debate on the amendment this undoes

    Posted from TSR Mobile
    Offline

    3
    ReputationRep:
    This gets rid of the clause which bans RL quotes and pictures from manifestos, something that is cleverly avoided in the notes.

    This also adds videos and audio again, it was banned for a reason and should remain banned.
    The 2 image file rule is enough as generally parties put their manifestos as one or 2 images and I see no reason why 600 words is needed.
    Offline

    3
    ReputationRep:
    Nay.

    I don't think extending the manifesto's has substantially helped (there's a lot of whaffle) and so i don't want to go further.

    Aph also makes good points.
    Offline

    3
    ReputationRep:
    Going to have to nay on second thoughts because, as Aph has said, the notes mention nothing in regards to the removal of the IRL quotes, etc. clause. Why is this change being made? What is its significance?

    I understand the increase in length and more leniency to formatting, that's a good thing… but I cannot see why the other clause has been removed without giving reason for it. Could someone expand?
    Online

    3
    ReputationRep:
    If you're going to add audio/video files, make it clear whether they count to the word count.

    Posted from TSR Mobile
    Offline

    3
    ReputationRep:
    Nay.

    I like the allowance for audio and video files (although I doubt many would be brave enough to use them), but manifestos are long enough already - being 600 words long, as most of them would inevitably end up being, would result in them being read by even fewer of the dwindling number of actual non-MHoC TSRians who vote in our elections.

    As regards the images of and quotes from rl figures, yeah, we Socialists want to put a Corbyn quote in our manifesto too, but I seriously do not want to see 11 Nigel Farages in one document again.
    Online

    3
    ReputationRep:
    Nay. Manifestos are boring, lets not make reading them even more excruciating.
    Offline

    3
    ReputationRep:
    Nay

    Manifestos are already long, lets not make it longer. Plus with these amendments, I fear parties will focus too much time on making their manifestos glamorous, rather than the content that matters. The elections are already a bit of 'beauty contest' lets not make it worse.
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    aye
    Offline

    3
    ReputationRep:
    No. No one would actually read them (not that many do anyway), and the problem with including videos/audio is when the Greens took the piss last time, and a manifesto was submitted with video file which broke the limit, yet the then-Speaker was too incapable to bother checking it before posting it.

    Also, having to read an extra few hundred words of leftie nonsense would drive me crazy.
    Online

    3
    ReputationRep:
    Nay. You didn't explain why you want to remove the IRL quotes.
    Offline

    3
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by MrMackyTv)
    Nay. You didn't explain why you want to remove the IRL quotes.
    This amendment is not removing them though - it's allowing them.
    Online

    3
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Quamquam123)
    This amendment is not removing them though - it's allowing them.
    Omg ok that's embarrassing... I wasn't wearing my glasses!

    So what's the point increasing word limit. Ive seen manifestos where most of it is on an image. :/
    Offline

    1
    ReputationRep:
    As much as I would love to quote Benn in the Labour manifesto, it just makes sense to ban the use of IRL quotes and photos of real life people. Also 400 is enough, and to echo mobbsy I wouldn't want to read an extra couple hundred words of right wing nonsence
    Offline

    3
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by MrMackyTv)
    Omg ok that's embarrassing... I wasn't wearing my glasses!

    So what's the point increasing word limit. Ive seen manifestos where most of it is on an image. :/
    No worries - I have those moments too.

    The word limit would only be increased by 150 words and it could just give parties a bit more room to express their policies.
    Online

    3
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Quamquam123)
    No worries - I have those moments too.

    The word limit would only be increased by 150 words and it could just give parties a bit more room to express their policies.
    Yeah but images allow them to express their policies more too, seems pointless to increase the word count and someone mentioned before it is just waffle and it does look a bit like waffle :/
    Offline

    3
    ReputationRep:
    Nay. 450 words is a reasonable limit that minimises waffle.
    Offline

    3
    ReputationRep:
    Aye, 450 is not enough... but 600..... 600 is fine.
    Online

    3
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Quamquam123)
    This amendment is not removing them though - it's allowing them.
    And you haven't justified why you're reversing a decision made only 6 months ago
 
 
 
Updated: September 23, 2016
TSR Support Team

We have a brilliant team of more than 60 Support Team members looking after discussions on The Student Room, helping to make it a fun, safe and useful place to hang out.

Today on TSR
Poll
Would you ever go to a non Russell Group uni?

The Student Room, Get Revising and Marked by Teachers are trading names of The Student Room Group Ltd.

Register Number: 04666380 (England and Wales), VAT No. 806 8067 22 Registered Office: International House, Queens Road, Brighton, BN1 3XE

Quick reply
Reputation gems: You get these gems as you gain rep from other members for making good contributions and giving helpful advice.