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    It's an absolutely superb TV show, it's an original dramatic serialisation of a non-fiction book that was written about ten years ago called Gomorrah. The book was written by an Italian journalist about the Camorra, a criminal fraternity somewhat similar to the Sicilian mafia but it originates from Naples and the Campania region of southern Italy.

    They are extremely violent and successful drug traffickers (one of the biggest Camorra bosses in the 2000s, Paolo di Laoro, was pulling in around 250 million euros a year), but they are much more fragmeneted into small clans than Sicilian or American mafia families.

    The name Gomorrah is a word-play on Camorra and of course the biblical cities of sin, Sodom and Gomorrah. It's well-worth checking out. The cinematography is absolutely amazing (though of course since the days of Breaking Bad that is kind-of expected now for a prestige drama)

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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    It's an absolutely superb TV show, it's an original dramatic serialisation of a non-fiction book that was written about ten years ago called Gomorrah. The book was written by an Italian journalist about the Camorra, a criminal fraternity somewhat similar to the Sicilian mafia but it originates from Naples and the Campania region of southern Italy.

    They are extremely violent and successful drug traffickers (one of the biggest Camorra bosses in the 2000s, Paolo di Laoro, was pulling in around 250 million euros a year), but they are much more fragmeneted into small clans than Sicilian or American mafia families.

    The name Gomorrah is a word-play on Camorra and of course the biblical cities of sin, Sodom and Gomorrah. It's well-worth checking out. The cinematography is absolutely amazing (though of course since the days of Breaking Bad that is kind-of expected now for a prestige drama)

    This actually looks pretty good. I'm definitely gonna have to watch this!
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    Nothing is the answer to The Wire.

    Finest show ever on TV.
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    Awesome series. I'd highly recommend if you
    don't mind watching something in subtitles, or speak Italian of course.
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    There's another good Italian drama I'd recommend called 1992, it dramatises mass corruption being exposed in 1990's Italy. Makes our expenses scandal look like stealing from the school tuck shop.

    It's on Sky box sets at well if that's where you're watching Gomorrah.
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    (Original post by JamesN88)
    Awesome series. I'd highly recommend if you
    don't mind watching something in subtitles, or speak Italian of course.
    Funnily enough, when it's broadcast on Italian TV it also has subtitles because they speak in the Neapolitan dialect which most Italians find completely incomprehensible.

    There's another good Italian drama I'd recommend called 1992, it dramatises mass corruption being exposed in 1990's Italy. Makes our expenses scandal look like stealing from the school tuck shop.
    Oh wow, that sounds great. Absolutely, the level of corruption in Italian politics particularly with the leader of the Christian Democrats Giulio Andreotti was absolutely breathtaking in its scope. The Christian Democrats also relied heavily on the mafia for votes in the south. In fact, the leader of the socialists Bettino Craxi was just as corrupt, and because almost all Italian governments had to operate in a coalition, you would have both major parties in government with each other pretty much continuously.

    1992 is also an interesting year for Italy because it's the year two anti-mafia investigatory judges, Paolo Borsellinio and Giovanni Falcone, were killed in two giant car bomb attacks. It's astonishing that the Sicilian mafia was so brazen in the early 1990s that they would essentially carry out terrorist attacks against the state and murder judges to try to intimidate them into backing down. The two judges got bumped off pretty quickly after they tried to follow up the Maxi Trial with an investigation into the Mafia-politics link. There's a great documentary about it called Excellent Cadavers, link below



    I just got back from Venice about a week ago, and every time I go back I get more and more drawn into the country. I think Italy is the most interesting and complex country in Europe

    Edit: And I'd add, you're right about the expenses scandal. We don't really have large-scale corruption in the UK, even compared to other English-speaking democracies. Australia regularly rates as one of the least corrupt countries in the world, and yet in my home state of New South Wales, the godfather of the right-wing of the New South Wales Labor Party (the majority faction, thus when Labour was in power from 1995 to 2011 they basically controlled the state government), a guy called Eddie Obeid, he corruptly organised a land deal for himself that would have netted him $60 million. You see crazy corruption scandals in the US like Rod Blagojevich trying to sell President Obama's vacated senate seat in 2009. The UK is very clean by comparison (at least its politics are; the financial industry is the dirty part of the country... HSBC and all that)
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    They made a feature film first


    Both series were pretty good, different because its Italian. They have nice cars but rubbish houses.

    Funnily enopuigh the author and series creator was recently slating the UK for being far more corrupt.

    Prefer Spiral and some of the scandi crime though.
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    (Original post by Rk2k14)
    Nothing is the answer to The Wire.

    Finest show ever on TV.
    I think Deadwood might have a fair claim. But yes, I don't assert that Gomorrah is a peer of the Wire, merely an "answer".
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    Both series were pretty good, different because its Italian. They have nice cars but rubbish houses.
    Isn't that because the clan leaders pretty much have to live in Secondigliano/Scampia? That's why they're living, basically, in *****y council flats but they have them all blinged up with gold. To maintain control of the clan / piazzas they have to be in the area, not living on the other side of the city in a nice house.

    Have you seen the second season? I think the second season (except for the last couple of episodes) is a lot better than the first. I still can't stand Gennaro and I think he's a useless character, but they introduce so many more interesting characters like Scianel and Prince (d'aww, he was so darn cute).

    Funnily enough the author and series creator was recently slating the UK for being far more corrupt
    What a preposterous idea. The Partito Democratico of the current PM, Matteo Renzi, has been caught relying on mafia for votes in the north (just as the Chrisitan Democrats and then Forza Italia always have). The Sicilian mafia killed two investigating judges with giant car bombs in the early 1990s, ffs. And not that long ago you had garbage piling up in the streets of Naples because the camorra had basically screwed the municipal garbage collection system with corruption and illegal dumping. The idea that the UK is more corrupt must come from some kind of psychological defense mechanism.

    Ironically enough, these days southern Europeans like Italians are considered quite hot-blooded, and the English are circumspect and calculating. But in the middle ages it was the opposite; the barbaric and backward English were hot blooded, and the northern Italians in Florence and Venice, with their banking and their trade, were considered cool and calculating
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    Isn't that because the clan leaders pretty much have to live in Secondigliano/Scampia? That's why they're living, basically, in *****y council flats but they have them all blinged up with gold. To maintain control of the clan / piazzas they have to be in the area, not living on the other side of the city in a nice house.

    Have you seen the second season? I think the second season (except for the last couple of episodes) is a lot better than the first. I still can't stand Gennaro and I think he's a useless character, but they introduce so many more interesting characters like Scianel and Prince (d'aww, he was so darn cute).



    What a preposterous idea. The Partito Democratico of the current PM, Matteo Renzi, has been caught relying on mafia for votes in the north (just as the Chrisitan Democrats and then Forza Italia always have). The Sicilian mafia killed two investigating judges with giant car bombs in the early 1990s, ffs. And not that long ago you had garbage piling up in the streets of Naples because the camorra had basically screwed the municipal garbage collection system with corruption and illegal dumping. The idea that the UK is more corrupt must come from some kind of psychological defense mechanism.

    Ironically enough, these days southern Europeans like Italians are considered quite hot-blooded, and the English are circumspect and calculating. But in the middle ages it was the opposite; the barbaric and backward English were hot blooded, and the northern Italians in Florence and Venice, with their banking and their trade, were considered cool and calculating
    Yes I know. It was just an observation.
    Yes I have seen both seasons. Didnt mind the last episode. I assumed Season 2 was the last, but never checked.
    Yes I know about history.
    Roberto Saviano has to go round with bodyguards ever since he made the film.
 
 
 
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