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Reply 1780

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by pol4ris
Hello all. New member here, and I have been reading through all your posts and sponging as much information as possible. Basically, I'd like your assessment of my odds at getting into Oxbridge (with Oxford being my preferred choice) for a Mst in English (preferably 1700-1830 but I'm flexible).

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I am an American and am studying at a small, relatively unknown private school in South Carolina (Columbia College for anyone interested). Right now I have a 4.0 and don't foresee bombing my last semester courses (I've had most of the professors before and am pretty confident in what they expect). However, there is a rub to my GPA. When I first attended, I bombed a bunch of courses and ended up leaving school for a few years to work "in the real world." However, when I reapplied and came back I accepted to be part of a program called Academic Renewal. Essentially, any classes below a C are no longer counted as accrued credits and do not contribute to my GPA (hence the 4.0). Having said that, they do still appear on my official transcript.

On one hand, I know it looks bad to have a bunch of F's and D's (granted none of my English courses dipped that far); on the other hand you can clearly see where I took a nosedive and since being readmitted have made A's in every single course I've taken (which after the upcoming semester will be 2.5 years so the majority of my degree). I don't know how much this will affect the way Oxbridge views my transcript but am hoping the fact that I left, got myself sorted, and came back with a visible focus will reflect that I am no longer an academic risk. In addition to this, I have purposely overloaded myself partially because I was interested in a lot of courses and partially to finish up ASAP which shows (I hope) that I can work under pressure and handle a decent load at that level. I also selected courses which were very closely related to my intended focus (almost all British Lit, a smattering of Gothic Lit courses, and as many British history courses as I could fit - plus Shakespeare and Bronte seminars).

Assuming I don't become decapitated next semester I fully expect to graduate with a 4.0 (so summa cum laude), will be graduating with Honors (I joined the Honors Program and completed all my honors credits this past year), will have one of the top 5 GPA's of my graduating class, and feel pretty confident that the English division will award me as overall student.

In addition to this, America has Sigma Tau Delta which is an English Honors society. For my school's chapter I was VP last year and will be President this year. To help increase my grad school chances I have been on the conference circuit for awhile and have presented at three local universities, the University of South Carolina (in their rare books collection hall), and at the Sigma Tau Delta International conference (which is mostly Americans to be fair). In the latter, I actually won an award for my conference paper in the category of Popular Culture (and $600 - sweet!) which is a decently big deal as there were plenty of submissions from Ivy League schools. While I don't expect to win again, I will be submitting another paper for this year's conference and (not to sound like a narcissist) feel my odds are decently well of being accepted.

Finally, I am working on getting some articles published. One has been accepted but not yet published, one has been recently submitted, and I am currently in the process of working on another article with a faculty member from my college as well as a decently well known one from University of Florida (my name will be listed as an author).

So... opinions on my chances? I realize my earlier academic record is nothing to write home about, but I hope I've rectified that. I've also been told that it's not exactly common for undergrads to have a lot of conferences/articles under their belt so I feel like that does give me a bit of a competitive edge? Apologies for the excessively long post - I just wanted to make sure I included all the details.


It sounds to me that the extra effort you have put in should really stand against the bad grades previously.
For instance, when I applied for my maths DPhil at oxford, I was in my second year and only obtaining a BSc, whereas most applicants had a masters, but my grades were good (yours seem good too, what is 4.0 equivalent to in the UK?), and I did a summer research placement with my university, producing a poster, which I supplied in my application (You should maybe include your best publications in the application, I think they have a section for 'relevant documents').
It seems that references and extra curricular count just as much as grades, but be prepared that in interview, they may we ask about the grades, so have a strong answer prepared.
Overall I believe you have good chances, so good luck!

Reply 1781

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by pol4ris
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I think you've done more than enough to make up for the initial slippage. I'm not sure if you want to point out the reasons for doing badly at first in your personal statement (depending how you phrase it may or may not help!) but i think the clear evidence of a recommitment to academics and then doing very well at them will make you competitive.

Reply 1782

Hello all.

Thinking of applying to Oxford for an MSt in English, but I'll only be able to attend if I get some sort of funding (I come from what you might euphemistically call "reduced circumstances"). Does anyone have any advice or experience of the funding application process?

More generally, I graduated with a 1st from a Russell Group university in 2010 and have a joint honours degree (English/CompSci, 75/25).

Thanks :smile:

Reply 1783

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by swing89
Hello all.

Thinking of applying to Oxford for an MSt in English, but I'll only be able to attend if I get some sort of funding (I come from what you might euphemistically call "reduced circumstances"). Does anyone have any advice or experience of the funding application process?

More generally, I graduated with a 1st from a Russell Group university in 2010 and have a joint honours degree (English/CompSci, 75/25).

Thanks :smile:


I will say first of all, don't get your hopes up. It feels horrible to say it but masters funding is incredibly difficult to get hold of, even at Oxford. The best chance you have is to write the best personal statement/research proposal you can and hope that your references praise you to the skies. If you can put any conferences or relevant extra-curriculars on the CV then great, but on the whole it's grades (can't change them now), statement and references that decide where the (absolutely tiny amount of) money goes. If you're relying solely on winning funding, then expect to not get to go, I'm afraid.

Reply 1784

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by swing89
Hello all.

Thinking of applying to Oxford for an MSt in English, but I'll only be able to attend if I get some sort of funding (I come from what you might euphemistically call "reduced circumstances"). Does anyone have any advice or experience of the funding application process?

More generally, I graduated with a 1st from a Russell Group university in 2010 and have a joint honours degree (English/CompSci, 75/25).

Thanks :smile:


As the other poster has mentioned it is hard to get funding for a masters alone, have you considered getting a career development loan? due to the nature of masters funding it is unlikely they would fund anything past course fees and college fees, so you would likely have to work alongside the masters, but you could equivalently do this with a development loan.
At my university they offer money off if you stay on to do a masters; is there anything of that type available at your university? since you could do a masters and then apply for phd after (if thats what you want to pursue) where funding (including living expenses) is more available.
You should definitely have a plan b if you need funding, but of course you should apply, with high hopes and see what happens, good luck!

Reply 1785

Thanks for the comments both, very useful. I'm pragmatic about my chances (both of funding (looking at course + college fees) and being accepted on the course) but I decided that as I have the confidence in my grades, references, and ability I should try at the very least. I won't get anywhere in life if I don't try (and work my arse off, of course). In the meantime I can work out a Plan B. Thanks again both :smile:

Reply 1786

Just a quick question, I hope it hasn't been asked: I know I can apply for multiple postgraduate courses, and indeed in both Oxford and Cambridge, but how about making a parallel application for two different MPhil courses in Cambridge (such as "Modern and Contemporary Literature" in the Faculty of English and "European Literature and Culture" in the Faculty of Modern and Medieval Languages, for example)? (Let us say I prefer to do one of them, but I believe I stand a better chance of being accepted for the other?)

Reply 1787

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by ZuzaMagda
Just a quick question, I hope it hasn't been asked: I know I can apply for multiple postgraduate courses, and indeed in both Oxford and Cambridge, but how about making a parallel application for two different MPhil courses in Cambridge (such as "Modern and Contemporary Literature" in the Faculty of English and "European Literature and Culture" in the Faculty of Modern and Medieval Languages, for example)? (Let us say I prefer to do one of them, but I believe I stand a better chance of being accepted for the other?)


Yes you can, the application website will have details. The applications for how to do this vary by university - some allow you to list your preferences on one form, others require you to submit separate forms (with separate applications fees) for each course you are applying for. I think (but am not sure) that Cambridge falls into the latter group, not sure about Oxford.

Reply 1788

I kind of reached a point where I want to do my Master's at Oxbridge quite badly, but I've no idea how to maximise my chances further.

I've finished my 2nd year of Computer Science at a Russell Group university with an overall mark slightly over 77%. Right now I'm doing my placement year, so I'll be back to uni only next year. Thing is that I feel a bit helpless over here, and not sure how to get that conditional offer in the bag. I'm aiming for 80s in my 3rd year, but then again, I can easily be rejected before I get to prove I'm not overestimating myself. So what am I to do for the time being? Is crossing my fingers and praying the way to go?

Reply 1789

Hi,

It's very kind of you guys to help anonymous Oxbridge hopefuls out with our questions.

I am thinking about applying to Oxford for an MA in English Literature (1830-1914).

I live in New Zealand and have a BA in English Lit with an 84.5% average (.5% off an A average in the NZ system). I plan to complete my Honours year (in NZ it's a different system to the UK) and bring the degree up to a first.

The problem is this: I did an exchange in my final year of university to the University of Exeter. As I knew it 'didn't count' towards my final GPA (is listed on my transcript as 'EXCH' paper and grades left blank) I suppose I made the most of being overseas and didn't work very hard, getting an average of 65% (B average in the UK system). It will negatively skew my application if I include the transcript.

Could I theoretically just omit the transcript in my application?

Thanks very much for any advice.

Reply 1790

One more question (and many thanks for answering the previous one): so, I want to apply for an MPhil course at Cambridge and an MSt course at Oxford after my BA in Modern and Medieval Languages at Cambridge, and I'm wondering what my chances of getting the CHESS award or the Emmanuel College-bound Derek Brewer MPhil Studentship for Cambridge or the AHRC award for Oxford are.

To be specific: I assume that the factors that determine whether I get one of these or not are 1) my undergraduate grades to date; 2) the quality of my research proposal? (If there is something else, too, do let me know. Please note that for the awards I named, the application is automatic - you are considered as long as you apply for your course by the deadline - so there is no chance to impress anyone with "evidence of outstanding leadership skills," as is the case with the Cambridge Gates award... which I don't believe I could get because of my lack of such evidence.)

(I know that the fact it's a humanities subject also plays a role, but I obviously can't and won't switch to science.)

If this is correct, what are the proportions between the significance of these factors? I had 2.i's in my first two years of study :frown: , so I'm obviously aiming higher this year, but even if I get a 1 with distinction (yes, let us hypothetically assume I do), this surely will not be taken into account for the awards as the results are announced long before I SIT my 2014/15 exams in the first place? So, the question is: do I stand a realistic chance of getting an award just by crafting a brilliant research proposal? Or do the 2.i's undermine it completely? :frown:

Reply 1791

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by just_passing_bye
I kind of reached a point where I want to do my Master's at Oxbridge quite badly, but I've no idea how to maximise my chances further.

I've finished my 2nd year of Computer Science at a Russell Group university with an overall mark slightly over 77%. Right now I'm doing my placement year, so I'll be back to uni only next year. Thing is that I feel a bit helpless over here, and not sure how to get that conditional offer in the bag. I'm aiming for 80s in my 3rd year, but then again, I can easily be rejected before I get to prove I'm not overestimating myself. So what am I to do for the time being? Is crossing my fingers and praying the way to go?


Although I know nothing about CS, as far as I know with marks like that you'll have no problem catching their attention. Make sure you interact enough with your tutors and supervisors so that they know you well enough to give outstanding, personalised references and start thinking about a personal/research statement. If you're aiming to finish in the 80s, there's little chance of you being rejected out of hand unless you really mess up some other part of the application.

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by nompatron
Hi,

It's very kind of you guys to help anonymous Oxbridge hopefuls out with our questions.

I am thinking about applying to Oxford for an MA in English Literature (1830-1914).

I live in New Zealand and have a BA in English Lit with an 84.5% average (.5% off an A average in the NZ system). I plan to complete my Honours year (in NZ it's a different system to the UK) and bring the degree up to a first.

The problem is this: I did an exchange in my final year of university to the University of Exeter. As I knew it 'didn't count' towards my final GPA (is listed on my transcript as 'EXCH' paper and grades left blank) I suppose I made the most of being overseas and didn't work very hard, getting an average of 65% (B average in the UK system). It will negatively skew my application if I include the transcript.

Could I theoretically just omit the transcript in my application?

Thanks very much for any advice.


You can omit it theoretically, but if you omit it practically, then your application will be classified as incomplete and won't even been considered. If the grades are left blank on your transcript, and don't count towards your final degree, I don't really see the problem. There are plenty of people (me included) who have 2.1s on their transcripts (I know a funded DPhil at Oxford who got 57% in one year of his undergrad! :eek:) so as long as you can show that you will get a 1st in your final exams (or whatever the NZ equivalent is) and your referees back this up, then you have as much of a shot as anyone.

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by ZuzaMagda
One more question (and many thanks for answering the previous one): so, I want to apply for an MPhil course at Cambridge and an MSt course at Oxford after my BA in Modern and Medieval Languages at Cambridge, and I'm wondering what my chances of getting the CHESS award or the Emmanuel College-bound Derek Brewer MPhil Studentship for Cambridge or the AHRC award for Oxford are.

To be specific: I assume that the factors that determine whether I get one of these or not are 1) my undergraduate grades to date; 2) the quality of my research proposal? (If there is something else, too, do let me know. Please note that for the awards I named, the application is automatic - you are considered as long as you apply for your course by the deadline - so there is no chance to impress anyone with "evidence of outstanding leadership skills," as is the case with the Cambridge Gates award... which I don't believe I could get because of my lack of such evidence.)

(I know that the fact it's a humanities subject also plays a role, but I obviously can't and won't switch to science.)

If this is correct, what are the proportions between the significance of these factors? I had 2.i's in my first two years of study :frown: , so I'm obviously aiming higher this year, but even if I get a 1 with distinction (yes, let us hypothetically assume I do), this surely will not be taken into account for the awards as the results are announced long before I SIT my 2014/15 exams in the first place? So, the question is: do I stand a realistic chance of getting an award just by crafting a brilliant research proposal? Or do the 2.i's undermine it completely? :frown:

Just to start with, the chances of you getting this funding is really really slim. It doesn't matter what your grades are, there are so many people going for this funding that you should plan for not getting anything. It's harsh, but if you're hoping for masters funding, you'll almost inevitably be disappointed.

However, if you want to maximise your chances, your 2.i doesn't undermine you, although it is a hurdle to overcome. There are more factors in the decision and the main ones are not your grades (they assume that everyone is going to finish with a 1.i):
1) Your research proposal/personal statement - this really has to be top drawer, to show that you know your field and that you're going to do something really great with that funding.
2) Your references - there's not much you can do about these, but choose referees who know you very well, who like you and (ideally) who are high profile/respected (N.B. It's better to have a super-amazing reference from a lowly tutor who knows you well than a good reference from a more distant 'big-name'. But since you're at Cam, you could well know some 'big-names' very well.)
3) Your written sample - this is key too, but slightly less than the other two. It shows what you are capable of and is the only direct evidence they see of your work. Obviously it should be as good as possible, so make sure it's something you've gotten a high first on from a tutor.

But, even if you have all of the above, plus extra-curriculars, plus a certification declaring you're the next Einstein, the chances of funding will remain slim, practically a lottery.

Reply 1792

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by ellie.rew


You can omit it theoretically, but if you omit it practically, then your application will be classified as incomplete and won't even been considered. If the grades are left blank on your transcript, and don't count towards your final degree, I don't really see the problem. There are plenty of people (me included) who have 2.1s on their transcripts (I know a funded DPhil at Oxford who got 57% in one year of his undergrad! :eek:) so as long as you can show that you will get a 1st in your final exams (or whatever the NZ equivalent is) and your referees back this up, then you have as much of a shot as anyone.



@ellie.rew, you've saved me from an automatic rejection. And it's very heartening to hear about the 2.1 students and the funded DPhil! You've made my day, thank you :smile:

Reply 1793

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by nompatron
@ellie.rew, you've saved me from an automatic rejection. And it's very heartening to hear about the 2.1 students and the funded DPhil! You've made my day, thank you :smile:


I think it would also be considered academically dishonest to omit it when the forms ask for full transcripts of university study.

Reply 1794

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by sj27
I think it would also be considered academically dishonest to omit it when the forms ask for full transcripts of university study.


Right, well definitely won't be doing that then, cheers

Reply 1795

have you got any chance to get in with a 2:1 degree or only first degrees are considered?

Reply 1796

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by eepero
have you got any chance to get in with a 2:1 degree or only first degrees are considered?


Absolutely you do. Of course, it depends on the course -- It's possible that more competitive courses are after 1st's, but have a look at your course application requirements.

Reply 1797

Hi everyone,

I know this has been done about a thousand times so I'm sorry to throw another one into the mix. It's just my undergraduate application being dismissed by Cambridge has knocked my confidence a bit. I will be graduating with a 1st class in MSci Physics and Astrophysics from University of Birmingham next year (if I pass all my courses next year I will already have over 70%). My marks thus far for my course have been 1st year: 80.3%, 2nd year: 83.4%, 3rd year: 85.4% with all 32 modules at a 1st (courses specific to my PhD I have >90%). As well as this I have been on a society committee for all years of my undergrad, currently the chair during my 3rd -> 4th year. I have also done 2 summers worth of research in the area I want to study. I think my application is quite a strong one to do a PhD Astronomy at IoA in Cambridge or PhD Astrophysics at Oxford but does anyone who have any experience in this area know what quality of candidates are usually successful with Physics specific PhD applications (I can imagine they all have quite high qualifications).

Cheers
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Reply 1798

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by mrppaulo
Hi everyone,

I know this has been done about a thousand times so I'm sorry to throw another one into the mix. It's just my undergraduate application being dismissed by Cambridge has knocked my confidence a bit. I will be graduating with a 1st class in MSci Physics and Astrophysics from University of Birmingham next year (if I pass all my courses next year I will already have over 70%). My marks thus far for my course have been 1st year: 80.3%, 2nd year: 83.4%, 3rd year: 85.4% with all 32 modules at a 1st (courses specific to my PhD I have >90%). As well as this I have been on a society committee for all years of my undergrad, currently the chair during my 3rd -> 4th year. I have also done 2 summers worth of research in the area I want to study. I think my application is quite a strong one to do a PhD Astronomy at IoA in Cambridge or PhD Astrophysics at Oxford but does anyone who have any experience in this area know what quality of candidates are usually successful with Physics specific PhD applications (I can imagine they all have quite high qualifications).

Cheers


I'm afraid I can't help much when it comes to physics specifically, but I just wanted to say that my undergrad application to Oxford was very much dismissed- and though I can understand the knock to your confidence, this certainly doesn't mean you're not in a good position to apply for a PhD. :biggrin: Your marks look amazing (though other physicists can put it into context more than I can) and your research experience will definitely put you in good stead. So good luck!

Reply 1799

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by llacerta
I'm afraid I can't help much when it comes to physics specifically, but I just wanted to say that my undergrad application to Oxford was very much dismissed- and though I can understand the knock to your confidence, this certainly doesn't mean you're not in a good position to apply for a PhD. :biggrin: Your marks look amazing (though other physicists can put it into context more than I can) and your research experience will definitely put you in good stead. So good luck!


Thanks for the support! How is graduate life in Oxford? Nice instagrams :smile:

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