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    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b0ac5a02df2f17

    Tosh McDonald, the president of the ASLEF train drivers union, has compared former shadow foreign secretary Hilary Benn to Hitler.

    Speaking at a fringe event at the TUC conference in Brighton on Monday evening, the union leader attacked Benn for supporting the expansion of RAF military strikes against Isis from Iraq into Syria.

    Benn told the Commons in December Western military action against Isis was similar to the “fight against Franco” in the 1930s.

    But as the Daily Telegraph reports, McDonald said it was Benn and the West who were like the fascist leaders.

    “The only comparison I can draw is with Hitler and Mussolini, bombing the republican lines in Spain,” he said.
    This is on the same day that another Corbyn ally on the NEC said the boundary changes were an excellent opportunity to 'purge' "disloyal" MPs. The Stalinist knives are coming out.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7239851.html
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    stop twisting Jezza's words
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b0ac5a02df2f17



    This is on the same day that another Corbyn ally on the NEC said the boundary changes were an excellent opportunity to 'purge' "disloyal" MPs. The Stalinist knives are coming out.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7239851.html
    Lol you... again! Don't you have anything better to do?
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    *ahem*

    http://www.thenational.scot/politics...n-allies.22262

    Stalinist put them in gulags. New Labour lot essentially purged (by your definition) the left of the labour party when they had the reins. Politics is kind of inherently Stalinist. Stalin understood this and he won.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    New Labour lot essentially purged (by your definition) the left of the labour party when they had the reins
    How did they purge the left? If they had purged the left Corbyn wouldn't be there; he would have been forced out and joined some fringe party like Respect or TUSC. They would have gotten rid of all the hard left fools like Corbyn and John McDonnell. Instead they tolerated them as an important part of the big tent, even though Corbyn was one of the most obnoxious and disloyal people in the PLP, ever.

    Two months after John Smith won the leadership with 91% of the vote (and most on the left of the party revere John Smith as some kind of purist before the terrible Blair years), Corbyn called for a leadership challenge. And yet now Corbyn demands complete loyalty even though he only won 57% of the vote (and less votes in absolute numbers than Blair).

    And of course today we find out Corbyn's office has an enemies list of people they are planning to punish. Corbyn is a disgusting, anti-semitic,terrorist sympathising **** and he will never, ever win an election. Anyone who thinks he will is deluded
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    How did they purge the left? If they had purged the left Corbyn wouldn't be there; he would have been forced out and joined some fringe party like Respect or TUSC. They would have gotten rid of all the hard left fools like Corbyn and John McDonnell. Instead they tolerated them as an important part of the big tent, even though Corbyn was one of the most obnoxious and disloyal people in the PLP, ever.

    Two months after John Smith won the leadership with 91% of the vote (and most on the left of the party revere John Smith as some kind of purist before the terrible Blair years), Corbyn called for a leadership challenge. And yet now Corbyn demands complete loyalty even though he only won 57% of the vote (and less votes in absolute numbers than Blair).

    And of course today we find out Corbyn's office has an enemies list of people they are planning to punish. Corbyn is a disgusting, anti-semitic,terrorist sympathising **** and he will never, ever win an election. Anyone who thinks he will is deluded

    *ahem*

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...michael-foster
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    What ahem? How does Michael Foster saying some rude things mean that therefore the leftists were purged during the Blair years?

    Are you drunk?
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    What ahem? How does Michael Foster saying some rude things mean that therefore the leftists were purged during the Blair years?

    Are you drunk?
    Your team made Nazi references as well that you conveniently ignored :beard:

    A part of New Labour was the centralist control freaky running of the party. That includes parachuting in your favoured would be MPs and making sure the right MPs get selected.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Your team made Nazi references as well that you conveniently ignored
    I was responding to your claim that the leftists were purged during the Blair years. That's completely untrue, hard leftists like Corbyn were tolerated as a part of the big tent. Of course now that they have the power his fanatical supporters are demanding that anyone who doesn't subscribe to Corbynism must be purged.

    They are total hypocrites, drunk with the tiny amount of power that comes from being the leader of the opposition because they know they'll never get any real power by being the government.

    A part of New Labour was the centralist control freaky running of the party. That includes parachuting in your favoured would be MPs and making sure the right MPs get selected.
    And? Corbyn has tried to parachute in his own supporters in recent selections (thankfully they were mostly defeated by the local party). And parachuting in candidates has nothing to do with your claimed purge. Hard leftists like Corbyn and McDonnell were left alone during the Blair years. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, the Corbynites are clearly not extending the same courtesy
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    This guy is only well-known because of a meme:

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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
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    "Labour Party moderates carried out an off-the-books investigation into the activities of Jeremy Corbyn supporters, infiltrating their meetings and private Facebook groups with the aim of leaking the findings to the press. "

    http://order-order.com/2016/09/15/la...d-corbynistas/

    Look what your friends have been up to :beard:

    Who was it that was fond with secret police methods? How Stalinist of them
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
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    You keep changing the subject. Why do you keep changing the subject?

    Is it that you realise you're incapable of evidencing the laughable claim that the hard left in Labour was purged during the Blair years?

    If you're incapable of supporting the claims you make, and then try to avoid discussing it, it's not worth having a discussion and I will have to avoid future comments from you on this thread.
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    You keep changing the subject. Why do you keep changing the subject?
    I'm not. You are bringing up the "stalinist" tendencies of the left of the labour party. I'm just pointing out how "stalinist" the right of the party can be. Part of what defined New Labour (and Labour has always been like this to a degree) is the overwhelming obsessive control freak centralism of the party.

    You are wrong that the left is unique in this. People high up in the labour party who are not of "the left" and are hostile to "the left" are carrying out secret police style activities on fellow left wing labour members.

    I just want some consistency. Stalinism is bad full stop. I don't care which wing of the party it comes from and it exists in both. Stalin murdered left wingers as well as right wingers.

    This is also a thread with Hitler in the title. Stalin is Godwin's law's brother.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    I'm not. You are bringing up the "stalinist" tendencies of the left of the labour party. I'm just pointing out how "stalinist" the right of the party can be. Part of what defined New Labour (and Labour has always been like this to a degree) is the overwhelming obsessive control freak centralism of the party.

    You are wrong that the left is unique in this.
    (Sorry, long post) I haven't claimed the left is unique in this. I absolutely accept the utter control-freakery of the Blair years; the total centralisation of the administration via "sofa government" and the presidential-style of New Labour, TB's contempt for the traditions of collective cabinet responsibility and his utter ruthlessness in sacking ministers often within an hour after the morning papers were delivered and there was a hint of a whiff of a problem in a particular department.

    On the other hand, Blair did use his whip hand and bully pulpit to force through reforming policies that were necessary and right. As I said, I am not at all claiming that New Labour wasn't obsessed with control.

    But for all that control, they never tried to have Corbyn or McDonnell deselected, they accepted the Labour Party was a big tent encompassing many strands of opinion. They never set up a movement outside the party to act as a vanguard and focus for personal support of Tony Blair. And they didn't preside over a period where a particular clique within the party was so aggressive in abusing their opponents, threatening them and assailing them with bigotry that dozens of branches were suspended and the entire network of CLPs had to close down for extended periods. And so in those three elements you have what I would label as purges, personality cults and intimidation, Those three elements in particular have a Stalinist quality about them. I'm not saying they are Stalinists (well, actually in print Seumas Milne is quite complimentary about Josef Stalin); merely that they are engaging in some of the activities that would be familiar to anyone who has read up on the history of communist parties in the West and in the Soviet Union itself.

    The atmosphere in the party among the Corbyn supporters has a febrile quality that has seen members of long-standing (sometimes two or three decades) screamed at and asked "Why don't you go join the Tories?" simply because they do not support Corbyn and feel he is fundamentally injurious to the well-being of the party.

    The Corbynite movement has a quasi-religious aspect that I personally find quite scary and I've actually stopped attending CLP meetings because of how aggressive, scornful and patronising Corbyn supporters tend to be when they are in groups. When you take the sense of entitlement many of them have in their perception of themselves as being the heirs of "true" Labour (despite many of these people never having voted Labour in their life), their intense loyalty to the leader personally (not to the party) and their sentiment of "We are the masters now" and add them together, you get an attitude that is hostile, officious and peremptory that makes CLP meetings unbearable.

    I never saw anything like this in the Miliband years (I wasn't around before that), in fact I have very fond memories of how active, motivated, optimistic and comradely we were. Back then Miliband was considered somewhat to be to the left of the ancien regime, I identified as a Milibandite (and was also very strongly identified in my branch with the trade union view) and I had a degree of resentment to the Blairites when they would criticise him (in fact they turned out to be right, in hindsight). But at the time these were marginal, minor and rare disagreements and we all worked so hard to try to get Labour elected. My own constituency is one of the safest in the country but we were canvassing next door in Bermondsey and Old Southwark to get that old flake Simon Hughes booted out and Neil Coyle in (Neil Coyle is a great guy, a really decent socialist... he nominated Corb for the leadership in 2015, now he is on the Corbyn enemies list). I was paired up with a staff member of an MP who is a solid moderate, and going around canvassing, speaking to people on their doorsteps the day before the election asking them who they intended to vote for, confirming they knew where the voting station was if they intended to vote Labour and whether they needed a lift or someone to accompany them. Going around doing that, we had a great conversation which continued at the pub after the canvassing. We all came from quite different factions of the party but we all believed strongly (including the Blairites) that a Labour government whether under Miliband or under a Blairite had the power to make a real, positive difference in people's lives.

    I don't see that kind of solidarity and comradely regard in the party anymore. After Corbyn became leader, I thought his first interview was quite good and I thought "Well, maybe I've misjudged him and now that he's leader I really need to give him a chance". I did, and he went on to continue playing to a hard left audience (like going to that STW dinner) and making clear he would do whatever he wanted with no consideration for keeping the party united. Things are getting worse and I have very little hope for the Labour Party at this point
 
 
 
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