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    Hi, I'm new to the forums, been looking around getting very worried

    I got 7A*s 5As at GCSE, I was pretty impressed with this till looking round this site

    I'm predicted AAAA for Economics, Physics, English Literature and Geography, I'm predicted A for General Studies and have level three key skills in ICT and Maths (I know thats not that important, but its something- and before anyone says anything the shcool won't let me do a key skill in communication cos I do English Literature)

    Anyways, is there any hope for me getting into a PPE course in a top 10 Uni?

    Cheers,

    Dan
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    No.

    Prepare yourself for TVU now. Better sooner than later.
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    Yes there most certainly is!

    First off though, PPE is only offered at a handful of uni's. Deciding to do just politics and economics for instance would increase your number of choices, as most places offer the course.

    For PPE, the top three places are Oxford, York and Durham, ranked in that order. Your grades seem fine to apply to ALL three of these places. An offer at Oxford would be AAA, whilst York would average AAB and Durham ABB.

    These may seem like daunting offers, but I went for all three and got offers from all three and my grades are slightly below yours. Dont worry about not studying all three of the subjects as well, just make sure that you read a good newspaper as well as some intro books into the subjects,.

    Good luck!
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    (Original post by Danfrank10)
    Hi, I'm new to the forums, been looking around getting very worried

    I got 7A*s 5As at GCSE, I was pretty impressed with this till looking round this site

    I'm predicted AAAA for Economics, Physics, English Literature and Geography, I'm predicted A for General Studies and have level three key skills in ICT and Maths (I know thats not that important, but its something- and before anyone says anything the shcool won't let me do a key skill in communication cos I do English Literature)

    Anyways, is there any hope for me getting into a PPE course in a top 10 Uni?

    Cheers,

    Dan

    Yes It is, but you may find it difficult getting into very popular places like oxford, because you are not doing A-level Mathematics. History A-level is also desirable but your doing English Lit so thats fine.

    If i were you i'd declare that i will be doing AS Maths in year 13 and start working on it now. You done Physics AS which covers 90% of M1, you just need to learn P1 and P2, Ur offer may not even include AS maths anyway but its nice to have it because Economics at degree level requires a good knowlege of stuff like calculus which u learn in A-level Maths.

    I think if u do AS MAths u 'd have a good chance of getting into a top place.
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    My offer for Oxford includes at A-Level, Economics(A), Geog(A), French(B) and AS History(A). I also have AS Maths at Grade A - this isn't in my offer but i think it helps. I'm doing economics everywhere else...but my friend is doing PPE and she did Maths, Further Maths AS, Geog, Physics and Eng Lit. She didnt get into Oxford but she did get an AAB offer from York and I think an AAA offer from Warwick.

    But beware if you are not applying for just PPE (i.e you're also applying for Politics and Philosophy, or Politics and Economics elsewhere - as not that many top unis still offer it) because my friend initially got rejected from Warwick, mostly because her PS didnt seem to be fully committed to doing PPE. However, she phoned them up and asked why, cos she was thinking of re-applying post Alevel. They said that send in a letter of why she wanted to do PPE and then she got a place.

    It is extremely competitive, but your GCSEs and A-level predictions seem more than enough for top 10 unis. Would recommend AS maths cos it will help whilst ur there. Read the newspapers, read the Economist, watch the news/The Politics show etc. Have extra-curricular activities. You should have no problems, but then with this sort of stuff, nothings guaranteed.

    (Mab85: which college will u be at next year?)
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    my offer is at keble college, the standard 3A's offer. which college will you be at? however i would just like to add that sometimes i feel that people over estimate the importance of maths for a PPE degree. i have not done any maths at either AS or A2, and although i did physics AS, i only scored a B. Although maths may be a factor at places like Warwick where they are easily over subscribed it will not be certain to hold you back.

    Put simply, if you are good enough for PPE, maths at AS or A2 is not essential to get an offer.
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    Thanks everyone, thats really helpful, was looking at other posts and starting to worry I'd get 6 rejections!

    I think the subjects I'm doing give me a good basis for PPE. Economics helps for the first few weeks at least, and means I've covered the foundation priciples and know them like the back of my hand. Geography on the human side is almost applied Economics. I wish I'd done History now too though, I find I watch alot on the Discovery channel and the History Channel (In between Malcom in the MIddle obviously! ) and I do like it, but I chose to do Business instead because I felt it would help towards Economcs (and it was kinda intresting and new and I like that- part of the reason I'm choosing PPE too) Physics is mathematical and scientific (Don't fancy a science degree but I do like it- not that in fairness there's much I dont like- except foreign languages- please dont flame me! ) English is essay writing and looking at historical events (I'm doing a World War 1 Synoptic paper, I'm going to love that! Wish we did historical Economics at A2) The question styles in Philosophy papers I've read seem to mirror English questions I get (e.g. How does philosopher x agree/disagree with philosopher y, would it be fair to say they both agree with q?) If thats wrong though please let me know!

    I think I will take Maths AS next year, if I drop it though because I cant manage it AND four A2s (theres no way Im dropping any because I really like them- would I be seen as stubborn if I got to interview and that was my reason for no AS Maths?) If I put in my PS I was doing it, couldnt handle it all and dropped Maths before the interview would this ruin my chances of getting in?

    Also, I read in the post about the Economics lottery, that someone had 10A*s everything as perfect e.t.c AND they had a part time job, is that something looked well upon? Even if its not related to ur academic course? (I work in Argos)

    Finally, because this has dragged on, any good PPE introduction books, and/or philosophy and politics books?

    Thanks again

    Dan
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    If you decide to do AS Maths next year, then there's no point in dropping it. Its unlikely that it will be part of your conditional offer, and they would prefer someone with a grade E in AS Maths than no AS Maths at all.

    I hope that makes some sense!
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    (Original post by Pegasus)
    If you decide to do AS Maths next year, then there's no point in dropping it. Its unlikely that it will be part of your conditional offer, and they would prefer someone with a grade E in AS Maths than no AS Maths at all.

    I hope that makes some sense!
    Not really. Admission Tutors have to assess whether you will be able to survive the Maths content required for an Economics degree, even if you do A-Level. If you get an E at AS, you wouldn't be able to cope with the maths, so would almost certainly get rejected.

    Numeracy is always an issue, whether they ask for it or not.
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    (Original post by BazTheMoney)
    Not really. Admission Tutors have to assess whether you will be able to survive the Maths content required for an Economics degree, even if you do A-Level. If you get an E at AS, you wouldn't be able to cope with the maths, so would almost certainly get rejected.

    Numeracy is always an issue, whether they ask for it or not.

    Sorry, that post wasn't very clear, I didn't mean to mislead the OP but what I meant was that when he goes to the interview the admission tutors will be aware of the fact that he's doing Maths AS level but no idea what sort of grade he's going to get. Therefore taking Maths AS next year is better than not taking it regardless of what grade you get. Of course if he does get a grade E perhaps PPE isn't the best idea, but he should be concentrating on his main A-level subjects and with A-level Physics they will appreciate that he has some numeracy skills.

    It really depends on whether they include AS Maths in the conditional offer or not.
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    On the basis of my courses (Edexcel Maths and OCR Advancing Physics) I would definitely not agree that the physics AS covers 90% of M1.
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    Warwick offer PPE also
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    (Original post by Danfrank10)
    Hi, I'm new to the forums, been looking around getting very worried

    I got 7A*s 5As at GCSE, I was pretty impressed with this till looking round this site

    I'm predicted AAAA for Economics, Physics, English Literature and Geography, I'm predicted A for General Studies and have level three key skills in ICT and Maths (I know thats not that important, but its something- and before anyone says anything the shcool won't let me do a key skill in communication cos I do English Literature)

    Anyways, is there any hope for me getting into a PPE course in a top 10 Uni?

    Cheers,

    Dan
    good grades!
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    (Original post by Danfrank10)
    Thanks everyone, thats really helpful, was looking at other posts and starting to worry I'd get 6 rejections!

    Well i doubt it mate, u got perfect GCSE grades and 4A's at A-level. Unless u really mess up your personal statement, u won't be rejected form all 6 unis.
    I don't think you should be worried by reading "other posts" because some of them do not reflect the truth. Some people here try say how difficult it is to do Economics related courses at uni... I think its all rubbish and i you have AAA and Decent personal statement, u could get into anywhere.




    (Original post by Danfrank10)
    ...I think I will take Maths AS next year, if I drop it though because I cant manage it AND four A2s (theres no way Im dropping any because I really like them- would I be seen as stubborn if I got to interview and that was my reason for no AS Maths?) If I put in my PS I was doing it, couldn’t handle it all and dropped Maths before the interview would this ruin my chances of getting in?

    Well if u do M1, u could easily get a High A for it coz its the same stuff in physics.
    u just have to do P1 and P2...they r not to bad. Plus an E in MATHS AS its better than not having it...Just put down in ur ucas that u will be doing AS maths. Because thats the only reason i see them rejecting u (NOT HAVING MATHs)

    (Original post by Danfrank10)
    Also, I read in the post about the Economics lottery, that someone had 10A*s everything as perfect e.t.c AND they had a part time job, is that something looked well upon? Even if its not related to ur academic course? (I work in Argos)
    Well i don't know what they say in that thread, but from what i read, i think some of it is absolute nonsense anyway.
    Unis are NOT interested in part time work in my opinion, I think they are FAR more interested in your ability and willingness to do their degree courses. And i think you should concentrate on proving this to them rather than part-time job etc...
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    Thanks again, the Maths I did not do because I was trying to be jack of all trades in my A levels (ended up master of none, I was trying to do to many things I wanted to do at A level, not thinking of University really) Will see if my school can timetable it next year, even if they give me just the books I could always have a shot at the test (my friends have done AS, and they said the teaching was, well, crap, so probably just having the books isnt so bad) As for the part time job thanks for clarifying that, I might put it in to show time management, but I wont be writing reams about how I helped an old lady take her flat pack out to the car!

    Anyone got any good PPE introduction books (i.e., ones that show links between the three, because I know that one lot of philosophies are the basis of captialism and the there is another that is the basis of communism- cant remember exactly who the philosophers were though!)

    Finally, just want to tell the world, woohooo! Full marks theory test, I passed, hell yes! lol
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    (Original post by Danfrank10)
    Anyone got any good PPE introduction books (i.e., ones that show links between the three, because I know that one lot of philosophies are the basis of captialism and the there is another that is the basis of communism- cant remember exactly who the philosophers were though!)

    Finally, just want to tell the world, woohooo! Full marks theory test, I passed, hell yes! lol
    I don't know of any specific books myself but if you have a look at universities websites/ prospectuses (prospectii?) they list a few books that might be worth reading. Also check out te thread on this forum about prospective reading for economists, there's probably something in there which fits your criteria.

    Congratulations on passing your theory!
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    Bit late, just realised I had these from earlier on in the year when I was going to do straight Economics, these are replies from Durham, Nottingham and Oxford when I asked them about Maths requirements for Economics, what do you think?

    Nottingham (AAB)

    Dear Daniel

    Thank you for your email and cv. We do not require Maths for any of our courses except Economics with Econometrics. Your A at GCSE will be enough. Students can choose modules that are appropriate for their level of Maths and any Maths that is needed will be taught here if necessary. Taking 4 A levels, assuming that you are predicted A in at least 2, preferably 3, and B in the others, will be a good basis for an offer.

    We look forward to receiving your application next autumn.

    Mrs Jo Morgan
    Admissions and Publications Secretary,
    School of Economics,



    Oxford (AAA)

    Dear Daniel

    Thank you for your Email. Its a little tricky to give you a definitive answers on this, not least because admission decisions are taken by the individual colleges and there is no hard and fast departmental rule about this. I think the overwhelming proportion of those accepted for Economics and Management do do Maths A Level and I suspect that the few that do not would typically have an A* at GCSE. On the other hand the fact that you are doing Physics A Level is obviously a factor weighing on the other side. I
    suspect that great weight might not be placed on the key skills qualification

    As I guess you know A Level Maths is a requirement for admission to economics degrees in many leading universities and our system is a bit more flexible than that. For PPE for example quite a high
    proportion of successful applicants do not have A Level maths. For Economics and Management where there is a demanding first year course in Maths and Stats, as for the other degrees, we do of
    course try & assess applications on their merits. IF the rest of your application looked very strong (school reports etc) and if you were therefore called for interview and did very well in the interviews
    and written test (especially the more mathematical/logical part) then you would not be prevented from getting a place by the lack of Maths A Level. You must understand however that competition for
    places is extremely fierce.

    I hope this is helpful

    Yours
    Andrew Glyn



    Durham (AAA)

    Dear Daniel,

    Thank you for your enquiry, which I have now discussed with Dr Robson Director of Admissions.

    As you may know from our Prospectus, we state that we have a preference for candidates who have studied maths to AS Level. However, we would be willing to consider an application from you if you take Level 3 Key Skills in Application of Number (which we view as being roughly equivalent to AS Level maths (but not A Level)).

    I hope this helps.




    Basically, I think Nottingham and Durham say I have a chance, while Oxford says not a chance for straight Economics, as for PPE, I think I then have more of a chance in Durham, obviously Nottingham dont do PPE, but they are still a very good University. Anyone got anything to say about this, I know that universites dont like to turn away any prospective students too early, so anyone think that they're saying no in a hidden way??

    Oh, also, I know this is moving away from the subject, but background reading for PPE, adding all the books for Philosophy, Politics AND Economics I have a 75 book reading list... :confused: I take it I can get away with reading a couple of books from each subject (I might read more Pol and Econ if I can... I think thats where I'll specialise in the 2nd year if I get to Oxford, or if anywhere else allows that specialisation)

    Thanks again

    Dan
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    (Original post by Danfrank10)
    Thanks again, the Maths I did not do because I was trying to be jack of all trades in my A levels (ended up master of none, I was trying to do to many things I wanted to do at A level, not thinking of University really) Will see if my school can timetable it next year, even if they give me just the books I could always have a shot at the test (my friends have done AS, and they said the teaching was, well, crap, so probably just having the books isnt so bad) As for the part time job thanks for clarifying that, I might put it in to show time management, but I wont be writing reams about how I helped an old lady take her flat pack out to the car!

    Anyone got any good PPE introduction books (i.e., ones that show links between the three, because I know that one lot of philosophies are the basis of captialism and the there is another that is the basis of communism- cant remember exactly who the philosophers were though!)

    Finally, just want to tell the world, woohooo! Full marks theory test, I passed, hell yes! lol
    Theory of Justice by Rawls is a good one for linking the strands together
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    (Original post by Danfrank10)
    Bit late, just realised I had these from earlier on in the year when I was going to do straight Economics, these are replies from Durham, Nottingham and Oxford when I asked them about Maths requirements for Economics, what do you think?

    Nottingham (AAB)

    Dear Daniel

    Thank you for your email and cv. We do not require Maths for any of our courses except Economics with Econometrics. Your A at GCSE will be enough. Students can choose modules that are appropriate for their level of Maths and any Maths that is needed will be taught here if necessary. Taking 4 A levels, assuming that you are predicted A in at least 2, preferably 3, and B in the others, will be a good basis for an offer.

    We look forward to receiving your application next autumn.

    Mrs Jo Morgan
    Admissions and Publications Secretary,
    School of Economics,



    Oxford (AAA)

    Dear Daniel

    Thank you for your Email. Its a little tricky to give you a definitive answers on this, not least because admission decisions are taken by the individual colleges and there is no hard and fast departmental rule about this. I think the overwhelming proportion of those accepted for Economics and Management do do Maths A Level and I suspect that the few that do not would typically have an A* at GCSE. On the other hand the fact that you are doing Physics A Level is obviously a factor weighing on the other side. I
    suspect that great weight might not be placed on the key skills qualification

    As I guess you know A Level Maths is a requirement for admission to economics degrees in many leading universities and our system is a bit more flexible than that. For PPE for example quite a high
    proportion of successful applicants do not have A Level maths. For Economics and Management where there is a demanding first year course in Maths and Stats, as for the other degrees, we do of
    course try & assess applications on their merits. IF the rest of your application looked very strong (school reports etc) and if you were therefore called for interview and did very well in the interviews
    and written test (especially the more mathematical/logical part) then you would not be prevented from getting a place by the lack of Maths A Level. You must understand however that competition for
    places is extremely fierce.

    I hope this is helpful

    Yours
    Andrew Glyn



    Durham (AAA)

    Dear Daniel,

    Thank you for your enquiry, which I have now discussed with Dr Robson Director of Admissions.

    As you may know from our Prospectus, we state that we have a preference for candidates who have studied maths to AS Level. However, we would be willing to consider an application from you if you take Level 3 Key Skills in Application of Number (which we view as being roughly equivalent to AS Level maths (but not A Level)).

    I hope this helps.




    Basically, I think Nottingham and Durham say I have a chance, while Oxford says not a chance for straight Economics, as for PPE, I think I then have more of a chance in Durham, obviously Nottingham dont do PPE, but they are still a very good University. Anyone got anything to say about this, I know that universites dont like to turn away any prospective students too early, so anyone think that they're saying no in a hidden way??

    Oh, also, I know this is moving away from the subject, but background reading for PPE, adding all the books for Philosophy, Politics AND Economics I have a 75 book reading list... :confused: I take it I can get away with reading a couple of books from each subject (I might read more Pol and Econ if I can... I think thats where I'll specialise in the 2nd year if I get to Oxford, or if anywhere else allows that specialisation)

    Thanks again

    Dan
    Even though I didn't apply for PPE, that was really interesting to read, thanks.
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    On the UCAS website it says that Nottingham require AAA and it also say that Maths and Economics is preffered, so thats quite an interesting response. I think Nottingham is slightly overated and is perhaps trying to compete with the likes of Oxbridge, LSE etc with such a high standard offer.
 
 
 
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