Low 2.1 for placement year. Does it matter too much for competitive unis?

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    I want to apply for a physical chemistry PhD at top places like Imperial, etc. I received my results today and I only got 63% overall for my placement year (54% on the thesis!! but that shouldn't be shown on the transcript as it just shows the overall mark for the year). However, the placement year is only worth 10% of the degree classification, and it wasn't related to the branch of chemistry research I want to go into (it was more inorganic/materials).

    My physical chemistry grades in first and second year are very good (>75%) which is surely what they will be interested in, not the irrelevant work I did during my placement? Thoughts?
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    Generally the admission considers every bit of information you have provided with your application, especially if you're also applying for funding. I'm pretty sure it would be wrong to say that they don't care about some aspects of your application such as marks.
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    (Original post by agrew)
    Generally the admission considers every bit of information you have provided with your application, especially if you're also applying for funding. I'm pretty sure it would be wrong to say that they don't care about some aspects of your application such as marks.
    I never said they wouldn't outright care... my question is more to do with how much emphasis they put on marks. As I'm aware, references, interview performance and motivation count more than academic grades for PhD applications, so my question was, assuming I do well in other aspects (excellent references, interview performance, etc) will my grades prevent me from getting an offer
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    (Original post by thecakeisnolie)
    I never said they wouldn't outright care... my question is more to do with how much emphasis they put on marks. As I'm aware, references, interview performance and motivation count more than academic grades for PhD applications, so my question was, assuming I do well in other aspects (excellent references, interview performance, etc) will my grades prevent me from getting an offer
    Can't you see that is impossible to answer? If there is a candidate the same as you in every other way, but with a better placement grade, and there is one space left, they will get it. However, that situation is vanishingly unlikely to occur. And your chances depend not only on the actuality of your 'excellent references, interview performance etc' but the standard of everyone else who applies that year compared with the number of places available.

    These are decisions made only by admissions staff and PhD Supervisors, and only in sight of the actuality of the applicants in front of them. There is no speculation that can be usefully made between 'No chance' and 'Some chance' before that point and without that information. You've obviously got 'some chance'.
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    It depends, does it say on your transcript the area your placement was in? I.e. is it obvious that it's irrelvant to your PhD topic?

    I did pretty badly in 2 pure maths modules and the universities I applied to didn't really care as my statistics grades were very high which is my area of interest. On the other hand I was applying to places like Cardiff, Sheffield, Bristol, etc. I purposely avoided the very top tier stats unis like Warwick, Oxbridge, Lancaster, etc. as I wouldn't recieve funding without a 1st.

    If you are going to get a first over all, one poor grade won't be an issue (2:1's are usually fine but you may encounter funding issues so look into that at Imperial). However as it was a placement they may question how you'll do in a research environment (I assume you were doing some kind of research).
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    (Original post by monkyvirus)
    It depends, does it say on your transcript the area your placement was in? I.e. is it obvious that it's irrelvant to your PhD topic?

    I did pretty badly in 2 pure maths modules and the universities I applied to didn't really care as my statistics grades were very high which is my area of interest. On the other hand I was applying to places like Cardiff, Sheffield, Bristol, etc. I purposely avoided the very top tier stats unis like Warwick, Oxbridge, Lancaster, etc. as I wouldn't recieve funding without a 1st.

    If you are going to get a first over all, one poor grade won't be an issue (2:1's are usually fine but you may encounter funding issues so look into that at Imperial). However as it was a placement they may question how you'll do in a research environment (I assume you were doing some kind of research).
    Lancaster? Top tier? You're having a laugh.
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    (Original post by #ChaosKass)
    Lancaster? Top tier? You're having a laugh.
    For statistics it is. I was rejected from their postgraduate research summer school as I wasn't on target for a first. They clearly take only very high calibre statistics students and so I didn't apply for a PhD either (I am unsure if they have 2:1 minimum or not, I just didn't want to waste an application).

    The ridiculous snobbery of TSR will never cease to amaze me.

    My point was if your subject is highly competitive at that university and you may only get a 2:1 it is possible that you won't be funded and that should be a consideration.
 
 
 
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