V1045 – Promissory Oaths Amendment Bill 2016

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    V1045 – Promissory Oaths Amendment Bill 2016, TSR Socialist Party

    Promissory Oaths Amendment Bill
    A bill to introduce a new Armed Forces oath and allow oaths of loyalty to constituents for MPs.

    BE IT ENACTED by The Queen’s most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Commons in this present Parliament assembled, in accordance with the provisions of the Parliament Acts 1911 and 1949, and by the authority of the same, as follows:—

    Section 1 - Changes to the Oath
    • Section 2 of the Promissory Oaths Act 1868 shall be amended to add a sub-section as follows:
    Alternatively a Member of Parliament may make the alternate declaration in the form follow; that is to say;

    'I, , do swear...that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to the peoples of the United Kingdom, according to their respective laws and customs; preserving inviolably their civil liberties and democratic rights of self government, through their elected representatives in the House of Commons, and will faithfully and truly declare my mind and opinion on all matters that come before me without fear or favour.'

    The MP may choose to either swear by Almighty God or Solemnly declare and affirm.
    • Section 2 will also have a specific oath of allegiance added for the Army Act 1955 and Air Force Act 1955:
    “I, , do swear...that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to the Government of the United Kingdom, the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces, Queen Elizabeth II, and to bravely defend the rights and freedom of its people."

    Personnel may choose to either swear by Almighty God or Solemnly declare and affirm.

    Section 2 - Short Title, Commencement and Extent
    • This Act may be referred to as the Promissory Oaths Amendment Act 2016
    • This Act will come into effect at the beginning of the next parliamentary term
    • This Act extends to the United Kingdom
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    Consolidates oaths into a single Act, as it allows for the Act to extend to the whole of the UK, unlike before, and introduces a new armed forces oath that clears up issues with possible army coups against the government since they swear an oath to the Queen although she is CiC the PM is de facto commander and the Ministry of Defence's importance.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10509742.html
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    Needed to be formatted into a more clause-like fashion.

    This would also need to be amended every time the Sovereign changes.

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    (Original post by DanE1998)
    Needed to be formatted into a more clause-like fashion.

    This would also need to be amended every time the Sovereign changes.

    Nay
    Which is why the relevant Act IRL still references old Vic but they say Elizabeth?
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    (Original post by DanE1998)
    Needed to be formatted into a more clause-like fashion.

    This would also need to be amended every time the Sovereign changes.

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    This is the way it was originally written and amended IRL, and no it wouldn't. The original RL Act refers to Victoria but they still say Elizabeth II. This is also a very left-wing/pragmatist bill so i don't know why you'd vote against it.
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    Airmed Am I confusing you with someone else when I think this is the sort of thing you'd support?
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Airmed Am I confusing you with someone else when I think this is the sort of thing you'd support?
    I don't support swearing to the Queen no matter what, but I like the idea of swearing loyalty to constituents, hence my abstain.
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    (Original post by Airmed)
    I don't support swearing to the Queen no matter what, but I like the idea of swearing loyalty to constituents, hence my abstain.
    Oh so you don't like the Army bit - fair enough. It is a bit odd coming from the Socs, though I expect it's an attempt to bring together both left and right-wing votes (which alternatively might have ended up alienating enough left and right-wingers to prevent it's passage...).
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Oh so you don't like the Army bit - fair enough. It is a bit odd coming from the Socs, though I expect it's an attempt to bring together both left and right-wing votes (which alternatively might have ended up alienating enough left and right-wingers to prevent it's passage...).
    My thinking exactly. I find this a very odd Soc bill.
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    (Original post by Airmed)
    My thinking exactly. I find this a very odd Soc bill.
    It is tricky to write a bill to poach votes from lefties and righties without making it universally unpalatable.
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    Which is why you just write something marxist and steamroll it through with the almighty power of the Left. :ninja:
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    It is tricky to write a bill to poach votes from lefties and righties without making it universally unpalatable.
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    Which is why you just write something marxist and steamroll it through with the almighty power of the Left. :ninja:
    One day, perhaps that will be achieved. :moon:
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    :rofl: I might be a centrist, but I think I am slowly leaning centre right. You will have to pass such a thing without my support. Unless there is tea involved. Or biscuits. Or Irish freedom. Take your pick of bribery.
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