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    My uni charges £150 if you fail a module so that you can retake it the following year. I would find it very difficult to pay this as I already have enough bills to pay, plus that reminds me that I also owe on my tutition fees for last semester because the government calcualted my tutition grant wrongly! I'm just glad that I haven't failed any modules so far.
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    (Original post by AerisYuna)
    My uni charges £150 if you fail a module so that you can retake it the following year. I would find it very difficult to pay this as I already have enough bills to pay, plus that reminds me that I also owe on my tutition fees for last semester because the government calcualted my tutition grant wrongly! I'm just glad that I haven't failed any modules so far.
    You must go to a very high ranking university, then. I consider 40 quid a bit extortionate, perhaps less so after making this thread tonight. Still, I'm not exactly pleased as punch.
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    (Original post by Digitiser)
    The work to pass the module was split into several components, around 7.

    The one I failed, was '600 word feature'. I did 450.

    Now, the reason I was lax on word count, was because the module itself was a shambles. Lecturers never turning up, people never turning up, groups being disorganised - the module was basically tacked onto the end of the year to give arts students something to do whilst the other uni students were on placement.

    They have failed me on the one piece of work, which was 'a 600 word feature' (I study journalism). I have friends on the same course who have suffered the same fate for similarly paltry reasons. A friend of mine was failed because her interview was apparently too short..

    Bah. Pah. I'm sick of paying this bloody college fee's! And I'm not talking about official fee's! 25 quid for lost keys. 5 quid for lost ID card. Parking fines. 'Administration' fines for failed modules. The list is endless! It's supposed to be a bloody Chrsitian university!

    Actually, come to think about it, if the church is behind this..



    p.s. no offence to Christians, as I occasionally consider myself one. So tuck your neg rep back in, cheers.
    I understand your frustration at the way the module was run, but at the end of the day you were 25% below the word count and that's quite a lot. Regardless of how difficult it was you could have added 120 or so words to get into the reasonable area that they would accept, even if it meant getting a low grade. Excuses like the ones you mentioned don't work at university level.

    I don't know if it's fair to charge you £40 however, especially if it's not mentioned anywhere that this would happen.
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    (Original post by ma2k5)
    You are right, you don't understand the arguement - how on Earth did I say it was okay? I was merely explaining why they do it and why they wouldn't do otherwise. It was an example showing THAT charges/system abuse is not a required thing to do to keep up with expenses as you make it seem like, or even as incentives OTHER than self-profit. Its quite simple what Im stating.
    But you're failing to see that it's not done to make a 'profit', as you seem to think it is. I've sat in on university finance meetings, and I can assure you that most uni's are not operating as hugely profitable businesses. I stand by what I said, that a uni cannot just keep financing retakes for people who have failed through their own fault, there simply isn't the money there for that.

    At the end of the day charges are there to teach you a degree of responsibility. My uni, for example, would charge to replace a lost keycard because of the admin invoved in changing all of the keys to a flat, which took someone at least half an hour (I know, I did it lol). However, they didn't charge people whose keys were stolen. In the same way library fines were often 'written off' if there was a genuine reason for books being lost or returned late. People with genuine extenuating circumstances were allowed to resubmit, or granted extensions. If you ask for help, most universities will give it to you - whatever you believe, it really isn't in their interest to have you fail. There is always a degree of flexibility at university, but not for people who abuse the system.

    And I'm not accusing the OP of messing about or abusing the system - from what he has said, the module was badly run and the university should show a degree of common-sense with charging students for this module. Although if the module asked for a 600 word report that's pretty clear ... Every uni has a policy of failing work that's too short or too long - we were told it was to teach us to write effectively and stick to a word limit.

    However, having just completed three years at uni, there are a lot of people who fail to take their course seriously, and who mess about because 'the first year doesn't count' and 'I can just retake'. There has to be a limit to the number of retakes that someone is allowed, otherwise it makes a nonsense of the system (much like A-Levels ...) An acquaintance of mine can no longer join the BPS because she failed her psychology exams one too many times - that's a real life consequence for not working, and uni shouldn't shield people from that, as in many ways it's not fair.
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    Its a bit harsh in my opinion. Especially seeing as you were only short on a word count lol. How can they justify that?
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    (Original post by ma2k5)
    What if its not a group assignment? Those are rare in my experience.

    As for the retake money - you paid what 3k a year? Multiply that by around 100 students, its not rocket science they get much more money then they have to spend teaching you guys - Ethically they owe you atleast 1 retake for free - IF it wasn't like this everyone would have been charging - which they arn't as its just stupid.

    You shouldn't be so closed minded on the issue /knit picking.
    If your ethics are socialistic, perhaps.
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    I was 1500 words under the word count on a supposedly 3000 word essay that was 2 weeks and 1 day late. I still managed to pass.
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    (Original post by Music_Enthusiast)
    I was 1500 words under the word count on a supposedly 3000 word essay that was 2 weeks and 1 day late. I still managed to pass.
    Yes, that's possible at my university as long as its academic content is exceptional.

    As for the £40 fine. I feel for the OP who actually did put some effort in. At best, this will be a learning experience for him (her?). His work will always be on time, of the correct word-count and probably sprayed with perfume from now on :p:

    My university actually rip me off in terms of accommodation fees, but I would actually be grateful for a system that charged £40 for failing modules and exams. It's incentive for those for whom £3000 per year is not nearly enough to be paying :rolleyes:
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    Sounds like an excellent idea to me. I've just finished my first year and have been surrounded by idiots who think that just because the first year doesn't count, that's an excuse to go out and get off their face every night, rarely attend lectures/seminars, rarely do any work outside of them and do very little if any revision for exams. Why shouldn't they be charged when they fail an exam or don't hand coursework in when it's their own fault for being so lazy? If they're not, the uni has to pay for it out of its budget, which isn't fair on students like me who actually put the work in and pass the first time. Fining you for being under/over the word count is harsh and I can't really see the logic behind that because it doesn't actually cost the uni anything, other than maybe that it takes longer to mark if it's significantly over, but I guess the idea is to teach you to write to a specified length.
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    (Original post by bunthulhu)
    I was hoping someone would point this out, I think it's true
    It's true, I've failed modules that I've revised my arse off for because the examiner suddenly decided to throw weird systems into his questions. I still don't know what an inverted pendulum is, or how it's Hamiltonian equations look remotely like the ones shown in Q3 ptii :mad: .
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    (Original post by Mikesev)
    It's true, I've failed modules that I've revised my arse off for because the examiner suddenly decided to throw weird systems into his questions. I still don't know what an inverted pendulum is, or how it's Hamiltonian equations look remotely like the ones shown in Q3 ptii :mad: .
    No, nor me. But then I study Shakespeare
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    (Original post by kellywood_5)
    Sounds like an excellent idea to me. I've just finished my first year and have been surrounded by idiots who think that just because the first year doesn't count, that's an excuse to go out and get off their face every night, rarely attend lectures/seminars, rarely do any work outside of them and do very little if any revision for exams. Why shouldn't they be charged when they fail an exam or don't hand coursework in when it's their own fault for being so lazy? If they're not, the uni has to pay for it out of its budget, which isn't fair on students like me who actually put the work in and pass the first time. Fining you for being under/over the word count is harsh and I can't really see the logic behind that because it doesn't actually cost the uni anything, other than maybe that it takes longer to mark if it's significantly over, but I guess the idea is to teach you to write to a specified length.
    Sad thing is you're at a top university and some people have the attitude you described. There's people at lower universities who would love to have their places and put the effort in to succeed. Just shows you that exam grades are a poor way of determining entry, but it's all you can go off since you can't predict who will mess around. Now that I think of it, kick them off the course if they do that, not charge them £40. Of course there's situations where people genuinely fail, which is fine.
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    (Original post by ma2k5)
    You pay a lot of money to go to uni - it should be the students choice if he wants to mess about at the end of the day!
    Absolutely correct. But he wasn't prevented from fufilling his right to mess around, and there are consequences to messing about and at the OP's university, a £40 fee is one of them.
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    (Original post by Digitiser)
    The one I failed, was '600 word feature'. I did 450.
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    (I study journalism).
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    This is laughable. Now we begin to understand the true situation. You study journalism and turned in a piece that was 25% under the requested word count. Word counts are all-important in journalism. In the real world you'd probably be fired for that - your editor would kill you. I suspect you may have learned a valuable lesson about your chosen profession.
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    i'm amazed at the number of people that seem to think that fi you fail a module then you MUST have messed around.

    Perhaps thats true at some unis but i think at plenty of others its perfectly easy to fail. Perhaps you have a poor day on the exam, or the module is just ya, know? hard to pass. it does happen you know.
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    150 words short on only 600 words is a lot! I'm not surprised you failed it. Especially in journalism. You didn't do what you were told to do they are entitled to get costs back from you for causing hassle of remarking. Admin fees can include the wages of the people having to mark it, second mark it, file it. £40 is not really a huge amount, you are paying roughly £3000 a year.

    As for all the other fees, all uni's have them. £10 if I lose my campus card, It's in the hundreds if I lose my keys with my landlord. It's life, if you don't do things how they are set out to do you have to pay for it. Just the way it is, welcome to the adult world.
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    (Original post by Digitiser)
    The one I failed, was '600 word feature'. I did 450.
    And you expected to pass?

    If you were writing an abstract for a journal article and only provided 3/4s of what they expected, doubt they'd be keeping in touch (unless obviously it was a piece of outstanding, original work)
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    I wish I got coursework that required only 600 words The lowest count I've had to work towards was 1500 and that was in the first term of the degree. It's all been 2000+ since.
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    I've failed 3 exams and have to pay £50 which covers the lot.
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    (Original post by thesard)
    Yes, that's possible at my university as long as its academic content is exceptional.
    Umm nah I don't think my work was acceptable lol. Maybe the lecturer fancies me or something.
 
 
 
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