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English Literature and Philosophy (Joint Honours)

Has anyone taken this degree? Do you think they complement each other? I enjoy both subjects so I thought a combined degree might be the best option for me. Would you recommend this or do you miss out on a fair bit when you take two subjects instead of one?

I know this has been posted somewhere previously but I'll ask again to see what you guys think - is English Literature considered a 'Mickey Mouse' (what ever that means) degree by employers?

What about philosophy? (philosophy doesn't appear to be a uni course this section).

Thanks for your help:smile:

Reply 1

I very nearly switched to an English Literature and Philosophy degree (I followed a philosophy option in my first year), but it would have meant I would miss out on some english options that I wanted to do, so I'm glad I didn't in the end. They definately do compliment each other - I remember a particular part of the course where we looked at philosophical novels, like Camus, and it was really interesting to talk about the philosophical in a literary light, if you see what I mean! As for 'missing out on a fair bit', it depends on the course. Have a look at the structure of the degree scheme - at my particular uni, taking philosophy options meant I wouldn't be able to study early modern literature, which I wanted to take. But it might be different at your uni.

English Literature is definately not considered a Mickey Mouse degree. That term was coined by jealous scientists :biggrin: Something like 50% of graduate jobs don't require a specific subject, they just want any degree. There are plenty of transferable skills that you will pick up. What's more important is whether you would enjoy the subject enough to study it for three years, not what the stereotypical image of what a literature student is. The same goes with philosophy.

Reply 2

steerpike
I very nearly switched to an English Literature and Philosophy degree (I followed a philosophy option in my first year), but it would have meant I would miss out on some english options that I wanted to do, so I'm glad I didn't in the end. They definitely do compliment each other - I remember a particular part of the course where we looked at philosophical novels, like Camus, and it was really interesting to talk about the philosophical in a literary light, if you see what I mean! As for 'missing out on a fair bit', it depends on the course. Have a look at the structure of the degree scheme - at my particular uni, taking philosophy options meant I wouldn't be able to study early modern literature, which I wanted to take. But it might be different at your uni.

English Literature is definitely not considered a Mickey Mouse degree. That term was coined by jealous scientists :biggrin: Something like 50% of graduate jobs don't require a specific subject, they just want any degree. There are plenty of transferable skills that you will pick up. What's more important is whether you would enjoy the subject enough to study it for three years, not what the stereotypical image of what a literature student is. The same goes with philosophy.


Thanks steerpike, that's really helpful. I haven't decided which unis to go for. Where do you study? Most do joint honours and some actually have a degree tailored for English Lit and Philosophy. I haven't ever read philosophical texts in great depth (just at A level). Can you recommend any books?

I've heard that employers aren't too fussed. I suppose it helps if you're aiming for something specific though. I have no idea what I want to do when I leave university. Surely some degrees are held in higher regard than others? Someone said that degrees such as English, History, Philosophy etc. are only really worth while if you're going to go into teaching or something. Surely that can't be true?

Reply 3

Surely some degrees are held in higher regard than others? Someone said that degrees such as English, History, Philosophy etc. are only really worth while if you're going to go into teaching or something. Surely that can't be true?

A good class degree from a good university will stand you in good stead. I think the differentiation is simply that science degrees do point you towards a certain path (like, Physics), whereas arts degrees just don't! They certainly don't equip you to teach, and if you think for a moment just how much you cover in a degree and how much you'd ever be able to convey to a class...that makes no sense.

Steerpike quite rightly said that a large proportion of employment merely requires a degree, and it doesn't matter what in. There is a tendency for people to think that a subject like English is easy, because everyone has read some books. Getting a 1st in English is no easier than one in Physics, however. As I say, a good classification from a good university is not to be sniffed at - if you like the subject(s), go for it!

Reply 4

Laus
Thanks steerpike, that's really helpful. I haven't decided which unis to go for. Where do you study? Most do joint honours and some actually have a degree tailored for English Lit and Philosophy. I haven't ever read philosophical texts in great depth (just at A level). Can you recommend any books?

I've heard that employers aren't too fussed. I suppose it helps if you're aiming for something specific though. I have no idea what I want to do when I leave university. Surely some degrees are held in higher regard than others? Someone said that degrees such as English, History, Philosophy etc. are only really worth while if you're going to go into teaching or something. Surely that can't be true?


Bertrand Russell 'History of Western Philosophy' is a standard introduction to the subject. I think you might be better asking people in the philosophy discussion forum, as it was quite a long time ago that I did it! Gardners 'Shophie's World' is a brilliant, light, non-academic introduction to the subject. I would definately read that, as it will fuel your interest in the whole subject. And for philosophical novels, 'The Outsider' will introduce you to existentialism. And if you like that, try Simone de Beauvoir's 'The Mandarins', although it is a hefty 800 page mother of a novel, so good luck with it :smile:

As for your second point, clearly people will think that you are more hardcore if you say 'I have a degree in maths' as opposed to 'I have a degree in english', but that derives from their lack of understanding of what's involved in the degree. The people who say that an english literature degree is a mickey mouse degree is sprouted from the mouths of people that haven't done one. Employers on the other hand, are well aware of the skills you have gained from it. Also, they're not just interested in your degree - surely a 2.1 or a 1st in english literature with loads of extra-curricular activity, involvement with SU, sports, voluntary work, summer office work etc is going to look a thousand times better than a 2.1 maths graduate with nothing else but a degree?

If you end up applying for one of those jobs where they don't require a specific degree, from an employers point of view, they are not going to want to have staff composed entirely of science graduates. Arts degrees train you to think in a very different way to a science degree, and employers are aware of this.

Honestly, don't make the mistake of not doing English becuase of this idea of it not being as prestigious. I made that mistake and went to York to study Maths, but dropped out. I am now at Essex studying English and will be doing my MA next year. You can't really know what you're going to be doing in three years time, so its better to study something you would enjoy rather than something that might get you a better job. Life is too short to worry about the misinformed opinions of others :smile:

Reply 5

Thanks epitome, Steerpike:smile:. You've been really helpful. You've certainly put my mind at rest. I've got a lot of research to do (in terms of finding a course that I like) but at least I know that employers value a English Literature degree as much as a Science based course.

I'll see how I get on with the Philosophy texts you mentioned (I don't think I'll be able to cope with the 800 page one mind!). I did start reading Sophie's world a couple of years ago but had to abandon it due to work load. I enjoyed it.

I just want to make the right decision. I've still got a bit of time to think about it...

Thanks again

Reply 6

Sophie's World is NOT a good indication of what you will be tackling with a Philosophy degree. (Sorry).

Reply 7

lol - I realise that. Just a light read:smile:

Reply 8

I looked at this combination (before deciding on something completely different). Have a look at the Warwick literature/philosopy course - it's supposed to be really well integrated, unlike most joint degrees...

good luck

Reply 9

Thanks peach. I've just received the Warwick undergrad prospectus through the post so I'll have a look at it:smile:

What course did you end up taking in the end? What made you change your mind?

Reply 10

I'm starting English and Philosophy or English Lit and Philosophy at Exeter or UEA this year.
I'll let you know what its like in terms of module choices etc when I actually find the stuff out for myself :biggrin:

Reply 11

All I have to add is that I shouldn't think employers sniff at an English degree, simply because they will know just how hard it is to get on an English course at university. So I'd imagine an English degree from a top uni would be very respectable and can be applied to many jobs, not just teaching. Media, anyone?

Reply 12

What course did you end up taking in the end? What made you change your mind?

history of art at York.

I decided against philosophy as many of the courses seemed to repeat quite a bit of A level material in the first year.

English - not sure I could face studying 50 books a year and to be honest the number of applicants seemed a bit scary.

And history of art seemed to fit my interests better.

In my first term at York, I wondered if I'd made the right decision. Now I'm glad I made the choice I did - though I do seem to have more reading than my friends doing English.

Nottingham is also worth considering for English and philosophy I think - both departments seemed really good on the open day.

good luck

Reply 13

Thanks everyone. You've been a great help. Peach - I haven't looked at Nottingham yet but will take your advice. Thanks:smile:.

Sophisticated - I'd really appreciate that. It'll be helpful talking to someone who has actually experienced the course! Although I know how courses vastly differ from uni to uni.

Crankycaz - Are you taking media then?

Thanks again:smile:

Reply 14

No. I was referring to how an English degree could lead into options other than teaching, for example jobs in media.

Reply 15

Ah I see:smile: