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    Hi, I just need to know the opinions of people on these two unis, and in comparison to each other - and also whether they think I'd be suited to either place (I know it's hard to do that on here, but I'll give you some info):
    I'm not really a nightclubbing/party hard kind of person, I prefer quieter surroundings, but living in London, I like the whole buzz of the place, plus the fact that there's plenty of green spaces in London to hang around as well. I prefer going to pubs/restaurants as a means of socialising.... I can't think of anything else to say!

    Just want to know also how their overall reputation rates against each other?

    And any other insights you can give me would be greatly appreciated! But I don't have much time, so please be quick!
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    I'd say York edges manchester, but only slightly. If you like green spaces - York's campus does have grass, and York a much lovlier city (Still has bustle, too, because the narrow streets get very crowded with lots of tourists, etc.) but having said that, they're both probably very good universities to go to, and if you like Manchester, I'm sure you'll have a great time there!
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    Are you still set on doing music? Because if you are, look at the courses because I think they're very different. Manchester would probably give you more opportunities music wise but then there's much more than just academic life to consider. York city itself seems a lot quieter than Manchester, but it is very pretty. You also live in colleges at York rather than halls at Manchester, although I don't know what difference that makes, as the York colleges seem to be purely a residential arrangement. Have you visited them both? Ignore reputation because they're both very good unis, not much to choose between them, where would you feel happiest?
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    Based on what you've said, I'd say York as a location would probably suit you better and I'd also say it was slightly better reputation wise than Manchester, but there's really not much in it, so don't let that factor in your decision. Look at the course as well.
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    You seem to have Manc as your firm so dont really have any choice now. Assuming you get the grades.

    Dont know what they're like as departments, but York is a nicer uni / city. Manc has more clubs, but looking at what you've written i think ud prefer the pubs and restaurants of York.
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    (Original post by x_muso_x)
    Just want to know also how their overall reputation rates against each other?
    York has a significantly better reputation than Manchester, I would say.
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    Why does everyone think York is even slightly better than Manchester????? I think crappy league tables have something to do with this.

    But note that Manchester has a very very good music department which scored 6* for RAE in 1996 and 2001.
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    (Original post by Tomharper)
    But note that Manchester has a very very good music department which scored 6* for RAE in 1996 and 2001.
    :dito: If we're talking reputations specifically for music rather than in general, Manchester wins hands down.

    OP, what made you choose Manchester over York in the first place?
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    (Original post by Tomharper)
    Why does everyone think York is even slightly better than Manchester????? I think crappy league tables have something to do with this.

    But note that Manchester has a very very good music department which scored 6* for RAE in 1996 and 2001.
    York is considered to be amongst the elite universities, Manchester is not.

    (Original post by The Daily Telegraph)
    The Sutton Trust, a respected educational charity, identifies the elite as numbering only 13: Birmingham, Bristol, Cambridge, Durham, Edinburgh, Imperial, London School of Economics, Nottingham, Oxford, St Andrews, University College London, Warwick and York.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m.../13/do1301.xml

    I don't know about Music, I was speaking generally.
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    York is considered to be amongst the elite universities, Manchester is not.

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    Originally Posted by The Daily Telegraph
    The Sutton Trust, a respected educational charity, identifies the elite as numbering only 13: Birmingham, Bristol, Cambridge, Durham, Edinburgh, Imperial, London School of Economics, Nottingham, Oxford, St Andrews, University College London, Warwick and York.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m.../13/do1301.xml

    I don't know about Music, I was speaking generally.

    Oh I didn't know that Birmingham was an elite university which is better than Manchester. The list you got there picks out the highest ranking universities in unofficial league tables anyway.

    Read page 3! 'As determined by using the average rankings published by the Times, Daily telegraph, Sunday Times and Financial times'

    http://www.suttontrust.com/reports/e...eadingUnis.pdf
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    (Original post by Tomharper)
    Oh I didn't know that Birmingham was an elite university which is better than Manchester. The list you got there picks out the highest ranking universities in unofficial league tables anyway.

    Read page 3! 'As determined by using the average rankings published by the Times, Daily telegraph, Sunday Times and Financial times'
    I do stand by the idea that York is generally considered to be better than Manchester, in terms of prestige.

    Oh and, with regards to the RAE, I wouldn't trust data that is 6 years old and is of dubious accuracy anyway.

    EDIT - Anyway, since the OP has given a firm response to Manchester, she'll be going there, it's unlikely she'd be able to change so I don't really see the point of this thread.
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    I do stand by the idea that York is generally considered to be better than Manchester, in terms of prestige.
    Whilst I stand by the idea that Manchester is better than York.

    Oh and, with regards to the RAE, I wouldn't trust data that is 6 years old and is of dubious accuracy anyway
    I fail to see why not? It is only one of few universities to achieve such a high score in the last decade (if you include all the RAEs from the 1990s) and I fail to see how such quality will diminish. Especially if the department can command AAA for admissions.

    Durham scored 5* for its history course in 1996 and 2001, I wonder if this data accurately reflects Durham's history standards today?
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    [quote=Agamemnon]I do stand by the idea that York is generally considered to be better than Manchester, in terms of prestige.

    Oh and, with regards to the RAE, I wouldn't trust data that is 6 years old and is of dubious accuracy anyway.

    EDIT - Anyway, since the OP has given a firm response to Manchester, she'll be going there, it's unlikely she'd be able to change so I don't really see the point of this thread.[/quote]

    I suppose I'm just getting pre-results nerves, and just need some reassurance I guess... but thanks everyone for your responses, it's all been v helpful!
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    (Original post by x_muso_x)
    I suppose I'm just getting pre-results nerves, and just need some reassurance I guess... but thanks everyone for your responses, it's all been v helpful!
    They're both great universities so it won't make much difference which you go to. Good luck, I hope you get the results you need.
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    That table -
    * As determined by using the average
    ranking from surveys published by
    The Times, Daily Telegraph, Sunday Times
    and Financial Times.
    So you can see, its pretty meaningless, not just meaningless, but misleading.
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    I would recommend Manchester purely on the basis of the place and the vibe around the city. I visited York campus when trying to choose my university and although it seemed a nice enough place it was actually elements of the Politics staff's attitude that I found a little offputting. And the distance. But anyway, if you decide to go to York, remember that you have always got Leeds on your doorstep which provides pretty much all the entertainment that York might not.
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    both of your universities are top notch, so don't worry!

    btw, the rae2001 assesses research conducted way before this date. university departments are fluid, especially given the amount of temporary positions at each university, so chances are half the research papers assesed are written by people no longer at the university. also, the rae2001 didn't really assess quality as such, more quantity in particular journals. the difference between a "4" rated department and a "5" rated department doesn't mean a lot in certain fields. take history, for example. research on the history of a local area is not "international", but it may be outstanding quality. research on european history is "international", but it may be poorer quality than the local study. the amount of internationally-relevant research papers is responsible for (1) the "5" rating and (2) the differential between "5c", "5b", and "5a".

    We cannot use 7 year old+ criteria to judge the quality of a department, especailly since the criteria is so ambiguous.
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    We cannot use 7 year old+ criteria to judge the quality of a department, especailly since the criteria is so ambiguous
    What criteria do you suggest we can use?
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    1. if you like the university (staff, environment, facilities)
    2. if you like the location (manchester vs york - big difference)
    3. what the course actually teaches
    4. will you be happy to spend 3 years at the university
    5. the list goes on....

    unfortunately, the rae2001 results are out of date by many years, and for many subjects areas are irrelevant (as i explained above). we also have a distinct lack of national teaching quality scores outside of the student satisfaction marks (some universities havent been assessed for over a decade). just try to relax and think about what you will enjoy...
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    (Original post by Tomharper)
    What criteria do you suggest we can use?
    I would suggest that if you want to get a general view for the reputation and the quality of candidates being admitted have a look at entry standards. This will tell you what students from the respective universites actually achieve in their A Levels.
 
 
 
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