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When you take inot account the geograhic voting concentrations for leave and remains in a FPTP way leave won by a landslide. SO any party standing on a pro EU/another referendum/remain in EU could well get hammered.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisappleg...Xx#.lhkVNDeZm4

Hence why Owen Smith's proposal to have another referendum is not so smart.
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I thought Owen Smith was proposing to **** off the result and stay in regardless rather than a second one
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(Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
When you take inot account the geograhic voting concentrations for leave and remains in a FPTP way leave won by a landslide. SO any party standing on a pro EU/another referendum/remain in EU could well get hammered.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisappleg...Xx#.lhkVNDeZm4

Hence why Owen Smith's proposal to have another referendum is not so smart.
Oh dear.
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I hope UKIP take those seats in 2020. They're the only ones who can bring back our independence and sovereignty sincerely.
Not sure if it will happen though.
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I hope UKIP take those seats in 2020. They're the only ones who can bring back our independence and sovereignty sincerely.
Not sure if it will happen though.
it will be the only way and it might happen at this rate with labour shooting themselves and conservatives causing chaos over the past terms and lib Dems hampering themselves
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Really good post/point. So much for Owen Smith being a better candidate than Corbyn.

That doesn't bode well for Tim Farron either, who seems to be building his entire campaign of rebuilding the Lib Dems around a pro-EU platform. That just seems so stupid to me, it's done, it's over, just get over it and prepare your party for the future.
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(Original post by Cain Tesfaye)
Really good post/point. So much for Owen Smith being a better candidate than Corbyn.

That doesn't bode well for Tim Farron either, who seems to be building his entire campaign of rebuilding the Lib Dems around a pro-EU platform. That just seems so stupid to me, it's done, it's over, just get over it and prepare your party for the future.
It's a strategy that didn't even work when tempers were running high and you would expect the remoaning moderates of both main parties to change their VI over it
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it will be the only way and it might happen at this rate with labour shooting themselves and conservatives causing chaos over the past terms and lib Dems hampering themselves
I doubt people will vote with it as their number 1 issue and polling evidence suggests that the Kipper vote is bleeding to the Tories anyway so Labour will still probably hold the north east and Welsh Valleys. The more interesting fights are in the Lab-Con marginals where a modest Kipper decline could hand the Tories the seat.

It's very possible that an election held anytime soon could see the Tories take places like Halifax, Wakefield and Wrexham and walk away with a majority approaching 100. To put that into perspective, Wakefield has not been Tory for a century and Wrexham (a large Welsh town) never has.

The real story in British politics is not what the Kippers will do, it's how blue this country will look in 4 years.
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Did leave win by a landslide? Is 52 / 48 a landslide these days? You analogy of taking areas is pointless. If you take one voter for leave, that is a 100% swing but means nothing. 48% of the electorate is something to be very cautious about.
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Did leave win by a landslide? Is 52 / 48 a landslide these days? You analogy of taking areas is pointless. If you take one voter for leave, that is a 100% swing but means nothing. 48% of the electorate is something to be very cautious about.
He means by area for MPs, almost all of England/Wales area's voted to leave. If Labour/Liberal Democrats don't accept results (this is probably why Corbyn accepts it) UKIP will be the new opposition.
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(Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
When you take inot account the geograhic voting concentrations for leave and remains in a FPTP way leave won by a landslide. SO any party standing on a pro EU/another referendum/remain in EU could well get hammered.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisappleg...Xx#.lhkVNDeZm4

Hence why Owen Smith's proposal to have another referendum is not so smart.
The 'fptp' map isn't all that different to the electoral map of the Tories - basically, Tory-voting areas voted overwhelmingly for Leave and some non-Tory voting areas did, apart from London. The key thing was that enough Labour voters moved to the Leave position to make it so.
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He means by area for MPs, almost all of England/Wales area's voted to leave. If Labour/Liberal Democrats don't accept results (this is probably why Corbyn accepts it) UKIP will be the new opposition.
Oh dream on - most likely they won't win a single seat again at the election, apart from Carswell, who's a Tory really anyway. (As are many kippers.)
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Oh dream on - most likely they won't win a single seat again at the election, apart from Carswell, who's a Tory really anyway. (As are many kippers.)
Lol, your in a surprise.
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The 'fptp' map isn't all that different to the electoral map of the Tories - basically, Tory-voting areas voted overwhelmingly for Leave and some non-Tory voting areas did, apart from London. The key thing was that enough Labour voters moved to the Leave position to make it so.
I'm remembering the talk for months about how it was key to get the Labour vote out.. and then i remember the commentators with about a month to go amusingly saying that they'd given up that effort because on the doorstep, those Labour voters were talking about voting Leave.

It's really not a shock though, London is very unrepresentative of the nation at large. The Remain camp should simply be pleased that they managed to take Liverpool, Manchester and Leeds with them.
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Lol, your in a surprise.
The EU has never been the number 1 issue for most at the ballot box.
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I thought Owen Smith was proposing to **** off the result and stay in regardless rather than a second one
Even worse then
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I'm remembering the talk for months about how it was key to get the Labour vote out.. and then i remember the commentators with about a month to go amusingly saying that they'd given up that effort because on the doorstep, those Labour voters were talking about voting Leave.

It's really not a shock though, London is very unrepresentative of the nation at large. The Remain camp should simply be pleased that they managed to take Liverpool, Manchester and Leeds with them.
The Remain campaign was poorly thought out from the start - the real problem being the lacklustre conviction even amongst many Remainers for the EU as an institution. So there were no really strong Labour figures putting out convincing messages. That wasn't of itself terminal, but it left the way open for Leave to cynically manipulate Lab voters with all the crap about £350m a week for the NHS, which pollsters have discovered to have been a key motivator for many voters.

The referendum was worthy of something Putin could have dreamed up - no wonder Russia Today were enthusiastic supporters of Leave.

If only the Tories could have found a proper leader and not some PR toad.
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The Remain campaign was poorly thought out from the start - the real problem being the lacklustre conviction even amongst many Remainers for the EU as an institution. So there were no really strong Labour figures putting out convincing messages. That wasn't of itself terminal, but it left the way open for Leave to cynically manipulate Lab voters with all the crap about £350m a week for the NHS, which pollsters have discovered to have been a key motivator for many voters.

The referendum was worthy of something Putin could have dreamed up - no wonder Russia Today were enthusiastic supporters of Leave.

If only the Tories could have found a proper leader and not some PR toad.
It wasn't poorly thought out at all, it followed the EU formula that time and again in shown not to work perfectly: it tried to scare people with ******** economic scares barely anybody believed instead of addressing people's concerns.

Remain is fortunate Cox was shot and it's worth noting that if the Tories had a "proper leader" the ein would likely have been greater.

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Lol, your in a surprise.
Do you mean "lol, you're in for a surprise" or "lol, your in a Kinder Surprise"?

Either way.... UKIP are sliding the the polls, their exact purpose now seems unclear, their new leader expresses admiration for the autocrat Putin the day before Russia may have deliberately targeted an aid convoy and Douglas Carswell makes a massive tit of himself by arguing basic science with scientists. Throw in that FPTP works against them and they have not developed the local strongholds needed to secure seats, it really is not looking good for them.
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I hope UKIP take those seats in 2020. They're the only ones who can bring back our independence and sovereignty sincerely.
Not sure if it will happen though.
With a leader who is about as educated as your usual smack head and a policy covering... well covering nothing anymore do you really think that is a good idea? Not to mention their single MP is as mentally capable as a toddler, he doesn't even know what causes the tides :rolleyes:
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