Jewish Labour peer to resign in protest against Corbyn

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    He's had enough of the whitewashing of anti-semitism, the wink and the nod to people who believe in "Jewish conspiracies", the personality cult and the abuse.

    Good on him, I say. He is not going to compromise his principles by being seen to give support to this by remaining in the party. Many are likely to follow him out the door. No doubt many Corbyn supporters will cheer at this, saying "They're all Red Tories anyway".

    The reality is that if they can't even win over and persuade the centre-left and moderate social democrats, how will they win over ordinary non-political swing voters in marginal seats?
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    I've got to hand my respect to this guy. Few have the balls to stand up to corrupt leaders and their brainwashed underlings.
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
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    He's had enough of the whitewashing of anti-semitism, the wink and the nod to people who believe in "Jewish conspiracies", the personality cult and the abuse.

    Good on him, I say. He is not going to compromise his principles by being seen to give support to this by remaining in the party. Many are likely to follow him out the door. No doubt many Corbyn supporters will cheer at this, saying "They're all Red Tories anyway".

    The reality is that if they can't even win over and persuade the centre-left and moderate social democrats, how will they win over ordinary non-political swing voters in marginal seats?
    Anti-Semitism has plagued the party before Corbyn was in power. I think it's a shame that the media are giving this tiny, bigoted minority such a large voice all to discredit Corbyn.
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    (Original post by Slaw92)
    Anti-Semitism has plagued the party before Corbyn was in power. I think it's a shame that the media are giving this tiny, bigoted minority such a large voice all to discredit Corbyn.
    Ahh, so those sneaky Jews are just making false accusations to discredit Corbyn, they don't really believe that the party has become infested with anti-semitic weirdos since he became leader (which it has)?
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    Ahh, so those sneaky Jews are just making false accusations to discredit Corbyn, they don't really believe that the party has become infested with anti-semitic weirdos since he became leader (which it has)?
    No I never said there was no anti-Semitism remarks being made, all I said was that there was a problem before Jeremy was leader, it just wasn't giving the media attention it is now as a means to discredit Jeremy Corbyn because, let's face it, there isn't alot that they can use. To say the party has become "infected" with it is a ridiculous claim, it is a small minority and as Jeremy has said, they will be dealt with. The media has blown this all out of proportion, just as they had with "Momentum" and the claims made against them. Did you see the dispatches program? It was hilarious, It's actually astonishing Channel 4 aired it.
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    Ahh, so those sneaky Jews are just making false accusations to discredit Corbyn, they don't really believe that the party has become infested with anti-semitic weirdos since he became leader (which it has)?
    Whilst I am in absolute agreement with you that Jeremy Corbyn has given a free reign to the antisemites to basically run roughshod over the party, even prior to his leadership antisemitism plagued Labour before he was leader. I mean Jesus Christ man, Ken Livingstone was always a questionable character who was never questioned.
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    (Original post by MagnetoWasRight)
    Whilst I am in absolute agreement with you that Jeremy Corbyn has given a free reign to the antisemites to basically run roughshod over the party, even prior to his leadership antisemitism plagued Labour before he was leader. I mean Jesus Christ man, Ken Livingstone was always a questionable character who was never questioned.
    I don't know if it plagued Labour, there were certainly issues. But we've never been in the situation where such people essentially had a patron in the leader's office.
    That is the major difference, that is why some of the most prominent Jewish Labour members are now leaving the party.

    It's why the Jewish Labour Movement (an affiliated socialist society, like the Fabians or Chinese for Labour) voted 92% to 4% for Owen Smith. Jewish people in Labour can feel in their bones how things have changed and how bad they have become.
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    (Original post by Slaw92)
    No I never said there was no anti-Semitism remarks being made
    What you said was that these accusations were being made to discredit Jeremy Corbyn, as if it's totally incomprehensible why a man who was a close ally of Ken Livingstone, who was on such friendly terms with Mark Wadsworth and Stephen Sizer and numerous other anti-semitic nutbags, might be seen to have given free rein to this sort of stuff.

    We're talking about a man who bribed Shami Chakrabarti with a peerage to produce a complete whitewash on anti-semitism within the party. We're talking about a man who praised as "dedicated to peace and social justice" an organisation that said all Jews on earth should be killed.

    Even by Corbyn's own admission there is a big problem; he had to commission a report into it.
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    I don't know if it plagued Labour, there were certainly issues. But we've never been in the situation where such people essentially had a patron in the leader's office.
    That is the major difference, that is why some of the most prominent Jewish Labour members are now leaving the party.

    It's why the Jewish Labour Movement (an affiliated socialist society, like the Fabians or Chinese for Labour) voted 92% to 4% for Owen Smith. Jewish people in Labour can feel in their bones how things have changed and how bad they have become.
    It's a very sad reflection when Jewish people see only having to deal with a few sneering antisemites as a positive state of affairs.
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    What you said was that these accusations were being made to discredit Jeremy Corbyn, as if it's totally incomprehensible why a man who was a close ally of Ken Livingstone, who was on such friendly terms with Mark Wadsworth and Stephen Sizer and numerous other anti-semitic nutbags, might be seen to have given free rein to this sort of stuff.

    We're talking about a man who bribed Shami Chakrabarti with a peerage to produce a complete whitewash on anti-semitism within the party. We're talking about a man who praised as "dedicated to peace and social justice" an organisation that said all Jews on earth should be killed.

    Even by Corbyn's own admission there is a big problem; he had to commission a report into it.
    No I never said these accusations were being made to discredit Corbyn, I don't doubt there is anti-Semitism remarks being made. What I said was that it is a minority making them, and the scale of the problem is being blown up by the media in order to discredit Corbyn.

    The accusation of bribery is one that is yet to be proven. Do you know for a fact that this was the case? Again, all I see from you is the sensationalist claims that are being churned out by the right-wing media. Jeremy has spoken out against anti-Semitism countless times, he has said it is not acceptable and that there will be a review of the initial report regarding the issue soon. The fact that Jeremy actually commissioned a report at least shows he is trying to combat the issue and isn't prepared to just ignore it.
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    (Original post by Slaw92)
    No I never said these accusations were being made to discredit Corbyn, I don't doubt there is anti-Semitism remarks being made. What I said was that it is a minority making them, and the scale of the problem is being blown up by the media in order to discredit Corbyn.
    The issue could have died down completely if;

    (1) Corbyn did not have a history of praising and befriending people who want Jews dead, and then being quite unctuous and slippery in his excuses for why he did these things. Instead of admitting it was a mistake, he claimed he was being victimised and was in fact a great prophet of peace

    (2) His tendency to repeatedly downplay and minimise anti-semitism; the fact that until recently (his advisors probably told him to knock it off) he would always say, "I condemn anti-semitism, and all other forms of racism". He never seemed able to simply say, "I condemn anti-semitism". It's like he wanted to minimise, and also was like a petulant child who was not going to be told what to do.

    (3) The fact that his anti-semitism inquiry was a complete whitewash. A member of Corbyn's staff who had reported to Chakrabarti that senior Corbyn aides had referred to a "Jewish conspiracy" and also demanded that a small banner written in Hebrew commemorating a Jewish holiday (maybe it was a Passover thing) was taken down as a senior Corbyn staffer said, "We don't want people to think we are Zionists". That was raised directly with Chakrabarti, and yet she never mentioned it in her report. Chakrabarti also claims she spoke to Jeremy Corbyn and asked him why he'd called Hamas, and organisation that says all Jews worldwide should be killed, his "friends". She claims she asked him about this, though his answer never made it into the report. The fact of the whitewash undermines any possibility of trust growing between Corbyn and the Jewish community.

    There have been repeated opportunities for Corbyn to put a lid on this stuff, but until extremely recently (like, the last 6 weeks) Corbyn continued to act in a way that led people to believe he was not serious about confronting anti-semitism. The fact it only happened in the last 6 weeks would lead many people to conclude his change on this issue is not genuine.

    As for the media blowing it up, the media is always going to hone in on problems and rancour in any political party. But the reason the question of anti-semitism around Corbyn has been in the media so much is because it has been a big issue under his leadership. He has had an extremely strained relationship with Jewish community leaders, his standing with Jewish voters is terrible. The fact that the media report things that are actually happening is not a bad thing. If Corbyn did not continually do things to antagonise Jews there would be nothing to report.

    The accusation of bribery is one that is yet to be proven. Do you know for a fact that this was the case?
    I didn't say bribery, I said corruption. It's my view that the £20,000 he accepted from the Iranian government, a regime that lynches gay men, is corrupt. He was prostituting the dignity of the House of Commons for filthy lucre. Corbyn is an absolutely terrible public speaker, and it shows when he hosted television shows for the Iranians. The only reason they had him was because having a British MP to mouth the words they have written gives credibility to the Iranians and to their attacks on Israel.

    I also believe it was corrupt for him to accept expensive gifts from oil industry lobbyists, such as the business class flight to Tehran he was gifted by oil lobbyist Mr Naghshineh.

    [quote]Again, all I see from you is the sensationalist claims that are being churned out by the right-wing media/QUOTE]

    What a pathetic response. Corbyn's issues with the Jewish community is fact. That he called Hamas his friends is fact. That Jewish people overwhelmingly believe he has given a wink and a nod to anti-semites is fact.

    Stop being such a martyr and come to grips with these issues. Simply shrieking that everything is a right-wing smear, that referencing things Corbyn has actually said and done is some kind of slander, will not go down well with ordinary voters. They're not going to put up with that kind of crap.
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/polit...-a3353181.html

    He's had enough of the whitewashing of anti-semitism, the wink and the nod to people who believe in "Jewish conspiracies", the personality cult and the abuse.

    Good on him, I say. He is not going to compromise his principles by being seen to give support to this by remaining in the party. Many are likely to follow him out the door. No doubt many Corbyn supporters will cheer at this, saying "They're all Red Tories anyway".

    The reality is that if they can't even win over and persuade the centre-left and moderate social democrats, how will they win over ordinary non-political swing voters in marginal seats?
    Corbyn isn't anti semitic......................... .
 
 
 
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