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    Anyone ever worked for the Office for National statistics or been through their application process?
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    (Original post by Prince Rhyus)
    EEK! :eek: English Lit PhD applying for Civil Service! [Runs for hills]. (Only kidding :o: )
    ...
    Thanks very much! I don't mind not working in my subject area. Having an intellectually demanding job is important though and I'd rather not have to go into some entry level admin job after the rigours of a thesis. I'll give the Faststream my best shot and then reassess things if that doesn't come through. Gaining experience in 'service delivery' sounds like it might be necessary. (Does university level teaching count as 'service delivery'?)
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    (Original post by Theo1977)
    Another one for Prince Rhyus, if that's okay - If one were to find out about a job that has only been advertised internally, I believe you may still apply and that they have to consider you, even though you are an external candidate. In practice, I'm wondering if there's any point at all in doing so, or whether they just tick the boxes and go with an internal candidate anyway?

    (My dream job has just come up, so I'm curious to know if my understanding is correct, or if I'm definitely wasting my time!)
    Crikey, all this advice and very few positive reps to show for it

    Jobs advertised internally are precisely that - internal. The procedure is like this:

    1) Post goes out on level transfer - i.e. advertised within the department to people of that grade. (People at lower grades cannot apply at this stage.)

    If the line manager doesn't want to open it up to promotion, they then go out to...

    2) Level transfer to other government departments via the civil service gateway;

    If the line manager does want to open it up to promotion, they then go out to...

    3) Promotion within the department;

    Then...

    4) Goes out on promotion to other departments.

    If that still can't fill the post, they may choose to advertise a secondment into the department from outside the department but target the trade press where experts in the field are likely to be from.

    Only then will...

    5) The post go out externally.

    So...sorry to hear that your dream job has come up but no, unless you are a permanent civil servant you are not eligible to apply for it.
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    Damn you, Prince Rhyus! But have some rep anyway, by way of disappointed thanks.
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    (Original post by sam5)
    Thanks very much! I don't mind not working in my subject area. Having an intellectually demanding job is important though and I'd rather not have to go into some entry level admin job after the rigours of a thesis. I'll give the Faststream my best shot and then reassess things if that doesn't come through. Gaining experience in 'service delivery' sounds like it might be necessary. (Does university level teaching count as 'service delivery'?)
    Do you mean to get accepted onto the fast stream? You will not need to prove you have experience of 'service delivery' for that. I believe Prince Rhyus mentioned it a little while ago with regards to making it to senior civil service jobs though, maybe that's what you meant!

    By the way, at my e-tray and FSAC I met several people (at least 4 or 5) who were just finishing their phDs, so you certainly wouldn't be alone in applying after that, I think it's fairly common.
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    (Original post by Angel_Cake)
    Do you mean to get accepted onto the fast stream? You will not need to prove you have experience of 'service delivery' for that. I believe Prince Rhyus mentioned it a little while ago with regards to making it to senior civil service jobs though, maybe that's what you meant!

    By the way, at my e-tray and FSAC I met several people (at least 4 or 5) who were just finishing their phDs, so you certainly wouldn't be alone in applying after that, I think it's fairly common.
    What's the latest with your fast stream progress?
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    (Original post by Angel_Cake)
    Do you mean to get accepted onto the fast stream? You will not need to prove you have experience of 'service delivery' for that. I believe Prince Rhyus mentioned it a little while ago with regards to making it to senior civil service jobs though, maybe that's what you meant!
    The service delivery element relates currently to the senior civil service only - though some departments are beginning to make it a requirement for Grade 7 posts (team leader level - the main grade between the Fast Stream and the senior civil service.)

    Sam5 was asking about applying directly into the civil service above the Fast Stream - which is becoming more widely available but the requirements are as such that people straight out of university - even if it's with a PhD, will have their work cut out to meet the requirements unless it's a specialist position that the employer concerned is looking for an expert on (such posts do exist).

    When they talk about public service delivery, they are talking primarily about managing within an organisation that is responsible for delivering a public service - rather than delivering it yourself as a teacher, nurse or member of the emergency services would do.

    So it could be something like:
    - Managing employees in a benefits office
    - Managing employees in a job centre
    - Managing employees in a magistrates or crown court
    - Project management within a voluntary organisation that works in a deprived area
    - Managing a team of planners in a local planning authority

    Think of it as:
    - You've been given a budget;
    - You've been given some resources - people, IT, etc;
    - You've been given some objectives - i.e. people you need to deliver to and timescales you must meet;
    - You've been given a job description and some guidance on how to deliver, plus support from other colleagues.

    You've now got to make it happen. How do you do it?

    This sort of experience makes it less likely that in future years you'll end up in a sticky situation in front of Edward Leigh in the Public Accounts Committee trying to account for why the delivery of a huge multi-billion pound project that you are responsible for delivering has messed up big time.

    Imagine yourself being on the receiving end of this lot - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5sfQk9NXlns

    And

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DjJwgH...eature=related
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    For those of you wanting to get a feel for what opportunities are coming up in terms of voluntary opportunities to shadow ministers, local councillors and elected mayors at http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=646578
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    Prince Rhyus - you are fantastic and have made this thread a very informative resource.

    Thank you
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    (Original post by JWeather)
    Good news: I have a start date, holiday info and a salary

    Bad news: They don't know what my first placement will be yet, they haven't got a date for my meeting with the Grade Manager yet, and they neglected to mention where I'll be based!
    hey JWeather!
    I'm starting on Monday! I presume you got the same letter as me, ie the one saying start date was Oct 6th? I emailed the grade manager who wrote that letter just querying whether it was possible to start earlier and i ended up having a meeting a few days ago .... and now i'm starting on Monday!
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    (Original post by doubting_thomas)
    Prince Rhyus - you are fantastic and have made this thread a very informative resource.

    Thank you
    :p: :proud:

    Those of you reading what I've posted do find this stuff useful, please do let me know - especially if it's the sort of stuff that needs to be in your university careers centres. Please also let me know if there is anything missing from what the Cabinet Office puts out there to encourage applications as there is someone in Cabinet Office who I can lean on to put things right.
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    Well that has (although I'm happy for you!) annoyed me a bit! I'll have to get on to them tomorrow and see whether I can get going sooner.
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    Crikey...nearly 60,000 views of this thread alone!!!
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    (Original post by Prince Rhyus)
    Those of you reading what I've posted do find this stuff useful, please do let me know - especially if it's the sort of stuff that needs to be in your university careers centres. Please also let me know if there is anything missing from what the Cabinet Office puts out there to encourage applications as there is someone in Cabinet Office who I can lean on to put things right.
    During my application process I thought that there was enough material about the Faststream either given to us or available from a bit of searching online.

    I found this thread very useful however, because it gave something that can't be sent out in an information pack:
    - the 'live' nature of the thread made the application process more exciting(?!), and made me feel less alone
    - it's informal and independent... I don't think an official faststream forum would work so well

    Thanks again for your helpful posts
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    Seems like the civil service stereotype is not far from the truth, at least where emails are concerned. I've been receiving emails from DfID, FCO and MoD (for work purposes) and they're all answered in exactly the same way. I'm sure their guidance reads something like

    "Ensure that no emotion or enthusiasm is displayed in any electronic correspondence. Equally, do not waste time writing such antiquated greetings or farewells as Dear or Best Wishes".
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    (Original post by tnj)
    hey JWeather!
    I'm starting on Monday! I presume you got the same letter as me, ie the one saying start date was Oct 6th? I emailed the grade manager who wrote that letter just querying whether it was possible to start earlier and i ended up having a meeting a few days ago .... and now i'm starting on Monday!
    I've asked about an earlier start date (because, apart from anything else, I'm unemployed as of September!) and the person who is my contact said that they would do what they can. Are you going to the 'open afternoon'? Just got an e-mail about it today, will definitely be going along.
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    Fast Stream applications for 2009 entry will be open for entries from 15 September 2008 - http://www.faststream.gov.uk/

    Have a look at http://www.faststream.gov.uk/index.asp?txtNavID=47 and some of the video profiles.

    There are also opportunities in local government - http://www.lgtalent.com/
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    :hmmm: 1500 views since I last posted...where are all the dwellers who haven't posted??!?!:hmmmm2:

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    Just thought I'd stick my hand up as an applicant for 2009 entry, and say thanks to everyone who's contributed to this thread, particularly Prince Rhyus - I've been following it since last December, and it's going to be extremely helpful for all of us applying this year, whatever stage we manage to get to!

    Thanks all!
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    gt94sss2 and I have had a bit of a chat regarding what questions to ask when you first meet with your shiny new department (or when you're shiny & new I suppose, rather than the department!) I've had my meeting already but it might be a good resource to have questions on this thread, especially if you thought of anything when you came out of the meeting that you really wish you'd asked.

    Here's what we've got so far that you might like to ask about:
    Start date/location
    Training - & whether there's the opportunity to do professional qualifications, Masters degrees etc
    Induction
    Whether there's an open day for your department
    Whether a mentoring/buddy scheme is in place
    Holiday entitlement
    Pension provision
    Salary
    Performance evaluation
    Your position in the team/level of responsibility
    Set hours or flexitime
    Dress code

    Feel free to add to this!
 
 
 
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