Turn on thread page Beta
    • Thread Starter
    Offline

    3
    ReputationRep:
    Zebedee's thread about national socialism & fascism has just led me to Wikipedia where I was astounded to learn of the dismal condition of fascism in the UK and the lame excuses that pass themselves off as fascist parties in the UK.

    Of course we have the BNP but to be frank they spend most of their time trying to pretend to be "respectible" and persuading everyone that their members are mainly lawyers and veterinary surgeons. And of course, a cursory glance at their manifesto would lead us to believe that they can hardly be described as fascist any more - it's very watered down.

    Other than that, the choices for the discerning young fascist are beyond abysmal - a very motley selection indeed: Blood and Honour, British Peoples Party, England First Party, Freedom Party, International Third Position, League of Saint George, National Democrats, National Front, National Socialist Movement, Nationalist Alliance, New Britain Party, New Nationalist Party, Northern League, November 9th Society, Racial Volunteer Force. I've never heard of most of these and most are evidently so small and puny that they don't even have a PO Box, let alone a web site. The UK doesn't even have a single fascist party represented by the European National Front - a sort of an umbrella organization with big hitting members like Spain's Falange. It's all a bit pathetic really.

    So, does the UK need a new fascist party? Should Moseley's BUF be resurrected?
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    I think we can manage without another?
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    I agree with coolguy, a fascist party surely isn't something we want in Britain???
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    Surely parties reflect the concerns and thinking of a society at the time, rather than being packages flung into a political shopping trolley?
    Offline

    19
    ReputationRep:
    Indeed, there is a dearth of honest British fascist organisations out there. The Churchill Effect (to coin a phrase) is alive and well, so I doubt we'll see a resurrection of the BUF any time soon.

    I'll say one thing for fascists, they sure know how to cut a fine dash.
    • Thread Starter
    Offline

    3
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Libertin du Nord)
    Indeed, there is a dearth of honest British fascist organisations out there. The Churchill Effect (to coin a phrase) is alive and well, so I doubt we'll see a resurrection of the BUF any time soon.

    I'll say one thing for fascists, they sure know how to cut a fine dash.
    They do indeed. Excellent uniforms. The BNP don't even have a nice uniform do they? No armbands or anything.:rolleyes:
    Offline

    14
    ReputationRep:
    Let me get this straight, you are actually advocating additional fascism in the British Political spectrum? Tolerate them in the interests of democracy, if we must, but to actually encourage more of them is a very bad idea.
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Dionysus)
    Let me get this straight, you are actually advocating additional fascism in the British Political spectrum? Tolerate them in the interests of democracy, if we must, but to actually encourage more of them is a very bad idea.
    Well at least now they can say, "Howard made us do it"...
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    I don't think there is really much demand. Most voters whose opinions lean in that direction would generally vote BNP.

    Perhaps with some intelligent leadership and clever activism they could offer something unique, but I still think they'd find it hard finding a solid voter base.
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Dionysus)
    Let me get this straight, you are actually advocating additional fascism in the British Political spectrum? Tolerate them in the interests of democracy, if we must, but to actually encourage more of them is a very bad idea.
    I think mainstream parties actually like them because they deflect criticism in the media away from them and are easy targets for politicians to score easy points on with the general public so they can be seen to be a 'good egg'.

    What if Boris Johnson was in the BNP?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6931359.stm

    I wonder how that would have gone down.
    Offline

    14
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by TotalImmortal)
    I don't think there is really much demand. Most voters whose opinions lean in that direction would generally vote BNP.

    Perhaps with some intelligent leadership and clever activism they could offer something unique, but I still think they'd find it hard finding a solid voter base.
    'Intelligent' and 'BNP' are mutually exclusive. They're a bunch of extreme-right racist thugs.
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    Why doesn't Fascism seem to work in Britain as well as it does elsewhere?
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Howard)
    They do indeed. Excellent uniforms. The BNP don't even have a nice uniform do they? No armbands or anything.:rolleyes:
    However, there is one requirement...SKIN HEAD. Of course im just being facetious :rolleyes:
    • Thread Starter
    Offline

    3
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by TotalImmortal)
    I don't think there is really much demand. Most voters whose opinions lean in that direction would generally vote BNP.
    That's my whole big thing point. They would vote BNP because there's nobody else around. Hence my question.
    • Thread Starter
    Offline

    3
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Gilliwoo)
    Why doesn't Fascism seem to work in Britain as well as it does elsewhere?
    I don't know. It's never really taken off that well has it?
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Gilliwoo)
    Why doesn't Fascism seem to work in Britain as well as it does elsewhere?
    I would think, mostly because we are a multi-cultural, tolerant society (with exception to an increasing minority). These parties also don't seem to be organised very well
    • Thread Starter
    Offline

    3
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by coolguy456)
    I would think, mostly because we are a multi-cultural, tolerant society (with exception to an increasing minority). These parties also don't seem to be organised very well
    Quite right. They are terribly badly managed.
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by coolguy456)
    I would think, mostly because we are a multi-cultural, tolerant society (with exception to an increasing minority). These parties also don't seem to be organised very well
    I'd tentatively suggest it's because our parliamentary culture is almost unique (yes, I said "almost unique"). Our Parliament is a product of Whiggery, which is very much a rights-focussed ideology, and our political culture is soggy with it. British Politics isn't an especially intellectual affair - as is, say, German, Russian and French politics. Add that to the fact that the Monarchy, not "the people" is the focus of political activity in this country, and we'll find a system naturally positioned to more liberal (both in the left and right senses) inclinations.
    Offline

    19
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Howard)
    They do indeed. Excellent uniforms. The BNP don't even have a nice uniform do they? No armbands or anything.:rolleyes:
    Indeed, bloody typical... although I do believe it's made rather tricky by the Public Order Act 1936. Proof, as if it were needed, that the Palace of Westminster is full of killjoys.
    Offline

    14
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Howard)
    Quite right. They are terribly badly managed.
    How awful. My heart bleeds for them as the poor little souls are struck down at the polls :rolleyes:
 
 
 
Poll
Black Friday: Yay or Nay?
Useful resources

Groups associated with this forum:

View associated groups

The Student Room, Get Revising and Marked by Teachers are trading names of The Student Room Group Ltd.

Register Number: 04666380 (England and Wales), VAT No. 806 8067 22 Registered Office: International House, Queens Road, Brighton, BN1 3XE

Write a reply...
Reply
Hide
Reputation gems: You get these gems as you gain rep from other members for making good contributions and giving helpful advice.