UKIP leader could be banned from driving?

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    Stephen Woolfe the future UKIP leader suffered several seizures after he was injured.
    If he drives that means he will lose his licence for 12-18 months because the DVLA won't allow people to drive unless they are proven to be seizure free for a certain length of time. He will probably need to retake his driving tests with an extended driving test which is normal after disqualification if he gets his provisional licence back.

    If this is the case, does that rule him out from being UKIP leader, because he won't be able to drive plus the risk of future seizures?
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    He isn't leader yet, and it certainly doesn't rule him out, you don't need to be able to drive to be a party leader, if he wanted he would be able to be driven about anyway I should think. Risk of future seizures, also unlikely to have any effect.
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    I'm no fan of ukip, but since when has it been compulsory for leaders of political parties to have a driving licence?
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    He isn't leader yet, and it certainly doesn't rule him out, you don't need to be able to drive to be a party leader, if he wanted he would be able to be driven about anyway I should think. Risk of future seizures, also unlikely to have any effect.
    Despite the disability and equality act it will be impossible for a person prone to seizures to be a political leader. Such people have very public lifestyles, travelling around the country, visiting public functions, meetings conferences, live TV appearances etc. What if he had a seizure during a conference or public function?

    In addition there is also the stigma of a driving ban too.
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    Despite the disability and equality act it will be impossible for a person prone to seizures to be a political leader. Such people have very public lifestyles, travelling around the country, visiting public functions, meetings conferences, live TV appearances etc. What if he had a seizure during a conference or public function?

    In addition there is also the stigma of a driving ban too.
    FDR managed just fine to cause a constitutional amendment despite being in a wheelchair, and Clinton is managing just fine despite being at the very least mentally disturbed, at nearly worst having seizures, and very worst actually being serious.
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    Ronald Reagan & Mrs Thatcher were both medically impaired in their final terms of office. no biggie.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    FDR managed just fine to cause a constitutional amendment despite being in a wheelchair, and Clinton is managing just fine despite being at the very least mentally disturbed, at nearly worst having seizures, and very worst actually being serious.
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    Ronald Reagan & Mrs Thatcher were both medically impaired in their final terms of office. no biggie.
    But most these people didn't have seizures. A grand mal seizure is not to be taken lightly. There's the violent jerking, foaming from mouth, incontinence, and momentary suffocation during the seizure.

    Then the post-ictal phase after the seizure. Massive release of electrolytes in the brain which results in brain swelling, damage and loss of brain cells. Confusion, headache, vomiting etc. Each seizure is as damaging to the brain as a concussion.

    Yes seizures can be prevented with medication but they can result in severe tiredness, drooling, confusion, apathy, rashes, incontinence and poor decision making.
    Basically nobody with a seizure condition would want the stress of politics. Most people go onto incapacity.

    Then of course there is the driving ban and endorsement which will certainly not help his political career. Neither of the above leaders, FDR, Clinton, Thatcher, Reagan had a driving ban.
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    But most these people didn't have seizures. A grand mal seizure is not to be taken lightly. There's the violent jerking, foaming from mouth, incontinence, and momentary suffocation during the seizure.

    Then the post-ictal phase after the seizure. Massive release of electrolytes in the brain which results in brain swelling, damage and loss of brain cells. Confusion, headache, vomiting etc. Each seizure is as damaging to the brain as a concussion.

    Yes seizures can be prevented with medication but they can result in severe tiredness, drooling, confusion, apathy, rashes, incontinence and poor decision making.
    Basically nobody with a seizure condition would want the stress of politics. Most people go onto incapacity.

    Then of course there is the driving ban and endorsement which will certainly not help his political career. Neither of the above leaders, FDR, Clinton, Thatcher, Reagan had a driving ban.
    Again, Clinton is doing pretty well, and actually most of the older presidents managed just fine despite their age.

    And you really seem to have difficulty with this concept that OTHER PEOPLE ARE CAPABLE OF DRIVING, a driving ban does not mean that you are banned from using an automobile in any way shape or form, it means you cannot drive it, it's kinda in the name.

    Further, through the whole thing you are assuming that the underlying symptom causing the seizure is a chronic condition, and certainly has nothing to do with having just had a violent altercation, with no underlying conditions the odds of a further seizure are near zero anyway.
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    Someone punched him in the head and he had a seizure. I expect as that was a trauma related seizure, he can prove he won't have anymore, and can be allowed to drive once he recovers a little.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Again, Clinton is doing pretty well, and actually most of the older presidents managed just fine despite their age.

    And you really seem to have difficulty with this concept that OTHER PEOPLE ARE CAPABLE OF DRIVING, a driving ban does not mean that you are banned from using an automobile in any way shape or form, it means you cannot drive it, it's kinda in the name.

    Further, through the whole thing you are assuming that the underlying symptom causing the seizure is a chronic condition, and certainly has nothing to do with having just had a violent altercation, with no underlying conditions the odds of a further seizure are near zero anyway.
    Its quite rare to have seizures after moderate traumatic brain injury (without penetrating skull fracture) like this, otherwise epilepsy would be very common which it isn't. But he had 2 seizures and seizures breed seizures as each one causes further damage.



    Hopefully this won't happen but it doesn't look too good. That's why DVLA bans and endorses peoples licence from driving unless they're seizure free for at least 12 months. Yes other people can drive him around but the driving ban is a stigma as it is with driving offences. That he has to put on application forms CVs etc.
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    Stephen Woolfe the future UKIP leader suffered several seizures after he was injured.
    If he drives that means he will lose his licence for 12-18 months because the DVLA won't allow people to drive unless they are proven to be seizure free for a certain length of time. He will probably need to retake his driving tests with an extended driving test which is normal after disqualification if he gets his provisional licence back.

    If this is the case, does that rule him out from being UKIP leader, because he won't be able to drive plus the risk of future seizures?
    WTF ?

    you do not 'lose' your group 1 licence following a seizure - it may well however be suspended medically

    you generally do not have to resit your test nor are you reverted to a provisional licence, if returning to driving after a medical suspension - unless your medical suspension followed life changing physicla injuries - when your ability to retain control of the vehicle comes into question ( i.e. following amputations or paralysis )
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    (Original post by zippyRN)
    WTF ?

    you do not 'lose' your group 1 licence following a seizure - it may well however be suspended medically

    you generally do not have to resit your test nor are you reverted to a provisional licence, if returning to driving after a medical suspension - unless your medical suspension followed life changing physicla injuries - when your ability to retain control of the vehicle comes into question ( i.e. following amputations or paralysis )
    It happened to a coach driver who was attacked by another motorist during a coach trip which left him with post traumatic epilepsy.

    Anyway a medical report was sent to DVLA and he was banned from driving for 5 years and had his licence endorsed despite not having a seizure for 3 months after the injury. He has been told he will need to retake all his driving tests and attend an awareness course after 5 years seizure free.
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    Being unable to drive wouldn't stop someone from being a party leader. They'd probably have people to drive them around anyway.

    Seizures though? Maybe, but probably not.
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    It happened to a coach driver who was attacked by another motorist during a coach trip which left him with post traumatic epilepsy.

    Anyway a medical report was sent to DVLA and he was banned from driving for 5 years and had his licence endorsed despite not having a seizure for 3 months after the injury. He has been told he will need to retake all his driving tests and attend an awareness course after 5 years seizure free.
    he was not 'banned' medical suspensions / revocations are not bans

    https://www.epilepsy.org.uk/info/driving
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    I would like to drink that most people can separate medical suspensions and bans from driving due to breaking the law, and there is a thing called the equality act which would prevent the party stopping him be leader if the membership voted for him.
    Whether when the full story comes out there is something that would make him unsuitable is a completely different matter.
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    (Original post by AlexS101)
    I would like to drink that most people can separate medical suspensions and bans from driving due to breaking the law, and there is a thing called the equality act which would prevent the party stopping him be leader if the membership voted for him.
    Whether when the full story comes out there is something that would make him unsuitable is a completely different matter.
    But thats if he wants to be leader now or the fact his doctor may advise against it as stress can cause seizures in epileptics if he develops full blown epilepsy. Even with medication there are side effects such as tiredness, amnesia, confusion, drooling, rashes, low blood pressure, incontinence, tics etc
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    Car sharing/personal driver/taxis/public transport/bicycle? It's not the end of the world, I doubt a party leader actually drives themself to events much anyway, you never see TV shots of them parking their own car...

    Theresa May has type 1 diabetes and manages to cope fine with that.

    Hillary plainly has something wrong with her and she is still being allowed to about her crazy business.
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    (Original post by ManiaMuse)
    Car sharing/personal driver/taxis/public transport/bicycle? It's not the end of the world, I doubt a party leader actually drives themself to events much anyway, you never see TV shots of them parking their own car...

    Theresa May has type 1 diabetes and manages to cope fine with that.

    Hillary plainly has something wrong with her and she is still being allowed to about her crazy business.
    But the rules in the US are probably more relaxed. Here the DVLA is a very powerful complex organisation that can legislate on what people can do and affect their lives and affect their careers.
    For instance teachers who have been banned from driving for been over the DD limit have also lost their teaching careers and also ability to get a tourist visa to enter the US. That's all because of driving regulations.
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    Nicola Sturgeon doesn't have a driving licence, doesn't stop her being a party leader.
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    He can always get the train. Although he may trip over Corbyn sitting on the carriage floor and bang his head again.
 
 
 
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