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Hey everyone, hope your applications are going well!
I'm applying to Oxford Biochemistry this year. In my AS year I did Biology, Maths, Chemistry and Economics. I dropped economics half way through, but was still forced to sit the exam at the end of the year. I got a D in economics AS. Nevertheless, I picked up English Lit, and now doing two years in one. My question is: with A*(Bio)A*(Maths)A(Chem)B (Eng lit) predicted and an EPQ under way, to what extent has a D in economics affected my application to Oxford?
Min. Requirements for Biochem is A*AA

Thanks is advance

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I wouldn't think the D in Economics would matter but quoting @BrasenoseAdm and @LMH OXFORD to be sure :smile:
if you don't even meet the minimum requirements for your 3 A2's then I would say you stand no chance
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if you don't even meet the minimum requirements for your 3 A2's then I would say you stand no chance


Min requirements: A*AA
My predicted: A*A*A


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I wouldn't think the D in Economics would matter but quoting @BrasenoseAdm and @LMH OXFORD to be sure :smile:


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Original post by JellyfishThunder
Hey everyone, hope your applications are going well!
I'm applying to Oxford Biochemistry this year. In my AS year I did Biology, Maths, Chemistry and Economics. I dropped economics half way through, but was still forced to sit the exam at the end of the year. I got a D in economics AS. Nevertheless, I picked up English Lit, and now doing two years in one. My question is: with A*(Bio)A*(Maths)A(Chem)B (Eng lit) predicted and an EPQ under way, to what extent has a D in economics affected my application to Oxford?
Min. Requirements for Biochem is A*AA

Thanks is advance


Hi there!

Looking at your predicted grades and subject choice, I can't see your Economics AS grade having a detrimental effect on your Biochemistry application - especially as you are predicted A*A*A in relevant science subjects. You would be surprised at how many very bright candidates (who are often successful at interview!) have had a similar experience to yours with a subject that didn't turn out to be the right choice for them.

It also sounds great that you're doing an EPQ, especially if it's related to Biochemistry (or one of your related A-Levels). Whilst an EPQ cannot form part of an offer, it's a great way of showing your super-curricular dedication to your subject choice, and getting experience of the independent research, analysis, and writing skills which are big parts of a degree somewhere like Oxford. EPQs are great for personal statements, and tutors will often ask about them at interview :smile:

Hope you find this helpful,

India
Original post by LMH OXFORD
Hi there!

Looking at your predicted grades and subject choice, I can't see your Economics AS grade having a detrimental effect on your Biochemistry application - especially as you are predicted A*A*A in relevant science subjects. You would be surprised at how many very bright candidates (who are often successful at interview!) have had a similar experience to yours with a subject that didn't turn out to be the right choice for them.

It also sounds great that you're doing an EPQ, especially if it's related to Biochemistry (or one of your related A-Levels). Whilst an EPQ cannot form part of an offer, it's a great way of showing your super-curricular dedication to your subject choice, and getting experience of the independent research, analysis, and writing skills which are big parts of a degree somewhere like Oxford. EPQs are great for personal statements, and tutors will often ask about them at interview :smile:

Hope you find this helpful,

India


Thank you so much, India! Your just brought my spirit up big time! Hope you have a wonderful day🙃


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Thank you so much, India! Your just brought my spirit up big time! Hope you have a wonderful day🙃


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Glad to hear it! If you ever have any questions about all things Oxford (not just all things LMH - although those are welcome too...) then don't hesitate to get in touch via PM or our 'Ask Us Anything' thread :biggrin:

India
Original post by The_Lonely_Goatherd
I wouldn't think the D in Economics would matter but quoting @BrasenoseAdm and @LMH OXFORD to be sure :smile:


Thanks for the summons!

We've seen a few queries like this one on TSR.

While a D is never an asset, it's not uncommon for applicants to take exams they don't need for reasons like the one specified and to have a single 'rogue grade'. There's nothing that can be done about the transcript - so our advice is try not to worry unduly about it.
Original post by BrasenoseAdm
Thanks for the summons!

We've seen a few queries like this one on TSR.

While a D is never an asset, it's not uncommon for applicants to take exams they don't need for reasons like the one specified and to have a single 'rogue grade'. There's nothing that can be done about the transcript - so our advice is try not to worry unduly about it.


Thanks for your reply! For a subject like Biochemistry, where you don't have admission tests or need to submit any written work, once you get to the interview is whether you get an offer or not pretty much based on how well you do in your interview?


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Original post by JellyfishThunder
Min requirements: A*AA
My predicted: A*A*A


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apologies i thought I read a*Ab
Original post by JellyfishThunder
Thanks for your reply! For a subject like Biochemistry, where you don't have admission tests or need to submit any written work, once you get to the interview is whether you get an offer or not pretty much based on how well you do in your interview?


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Please see the following guidance issued by the Biochemistry Department:
http://www.bioch.ox.ac.uk/aspsite/index.asp?pageid=420

All candidates are graded on their interviews by both Colleges, and these two grades are combined with the initial UCAS grade from the Department to give an overall grade for each candidate and thus a final rank order. After this final grading, Tutors meet again to discuss all the candidates and decide which candidates should receive offers. A candidate may get an offer from their first preference College, the other College that interviewed them, or indeed from any other College. Because all candidates are centrally ranked and decision are subsequently made together by all College Tutors, we can be as confident as possible that the best candidates receive offers regardless of which Colleges they have been interviewed by."

Interview grades are clearly important but the final ranking will also take account of the UCAS application content, particulalry if candidates with similar or identical interview scores.
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Since it's economics, hopefully shouldn't be a problem. I got a D in maths AS but high A's in bio/chem/geog and 8 A*s at GCSE so I was encouraged to apply (mainly due to the latter) , and maths isn't a formal requirement for biochem. I got into the UNIQ summer school and loved it so I was certain I would apply.*

I did get an interview, but the first one at St Hughs was horrible, they asked 'What happened?' in maths, but the second one at Hilda's went much better, but I guess my overall interview performance wasn't good enough.

Nonetheless, I have no regrets about applying, and I'm glad I was considered for interview. So you should certainly go for it and hope you get a nice interviewer who will not put you on the spot about it!*
Original post by bj1
Since it's economics, hopefully shouldn't be a problem. I got a D in maths AS but high A's in bio/chem/geog and 8 A*s at GCSE so I was encouraged to apply (mainly due to the latter) , and maths isn't a formal requirement for biochem. I got into the UNIQ summer school and loved it so I was certain I would apply.*

I did get an interview, but the first one at St Hughs was horrible, they asked 'What happened?' in maths, but the second one at Hilda's went much better, but I guess my overall interview performance wasn't good enough.

Nonetheless, I have no regrets about applying, and I'm glad I was considered for interview. So you should certainly go for it and hope you get a nice interviewer who will not put you on the spot about it!*


Thanks for advice! Where did you end up going?

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Original post by JellyfishThunder
Thanks for advice! Where did you end up going?

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On the day of my Oxford rejection I got an offer for Natural Sciences at Durham, unfortunately I didn't meet my offer so I am now at Nottingham, also for NatSci. To be honest I preferred the idea of NatSci rather than specialising in one, and didn't apply to Cambridge due to well... AS results! Anyway, good luck with your application! The best thing is to go for it but do have a sensible back up plan because getting an A* is not easy.
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Original post by bj1
On the day of my Oxford rejection I got an offer for Natural Sciences at Durham, unfortunately I didn't meet my offer so I have ended up Nottingham, also for NatSci.*

To be honest I preferred the idea of NatSci rather than specialising in one, and didn't apply to Cambridge due to well... AS results!*

Anyway, good luck with your application! The best thing is to go for it but do have a sensible back up plan because getting an A* is not easy.*


Also, given a second chance what would you have done differently? What advice would you give yourself before the interview?


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Original post by JellyfishThunder
Also, given a second chance what would you have done differently? What advice would you give yourself before the interview?


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Quite simply I should not have taken maths in the first place, despite having A* in GCSE maths and also GCSE Statistics - but I always preferred applied maths, i.e. statistics so the 'core' modules didn't interest me whatsoever, however I'm grateful that I didn't dwell on perfecting maths too much otherwise it may have jeopardised my other three.
Probably more subjective than anything, I would have applied to a different college. The St Hugh's biochem tutor seemed to have it in for me and other candidates I was speaking to, my other option was Somerville which seems 'nicer' in retrospect.

Advice? Practise doing chemistry problems such as drawing out and describing common molecules and theory, for example I had to draw out an amino acid. They will also introduce you to something new which you can't really prepare for, and so it is true that 'coaching' (learning possible answers by heart) will not work (I didn't get any 'coaching' myself, just a few mock interviews with teachers), just become confident with recalling and working out problems on the spot under pressure.

(I don't know why these asterisks keep appearing after I send the post... I'm not adding them!).
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Original post by JellyfishThunder
Hey everyone, hope your applications are going well!
I'm applying to Oxford Biochemistry this year. In my AS year I did Biology, Maths, Chemistry and Economics. I dropped economics half way through, but was still forced to sit the exam at the end of the year. I got a D in economics AS. Nevertheless, I picked up English Lit, and now doing two years in one. My question is: with A*(Bio)A*(Maths)A(Chem)B (Eng lit) predicted and an EPQ under way, to what extent has a D in economics affected my application to Oxford?
Min. Requirements for Biochem is A*AA

Thanks is advance

When I applied(unsuccessfully) they said GCSEs are more important to them. I applied for history though so I don't know whether it's the same for sciences. You meet the minimum requirements and based on personal experience I believe a LOT depends on your interview performance now. Some people had 5 As and did great on the admission test but didn't get in because of their interviews performance. If your course doesn't need an admission test, do the best you can in the interview. Don't make the same mistake as I did.
I requested feedback after my rejection and fhey they said my admission test performance was satisfactory but my interview performance was "dissapointing " and so was my sample essay. They didn't mention my grades there. So I do think if you get the interview then, it all depends on how you perform in it.
Original post by TrotskyiteRebel
When I applied(unsuccessfully) they said GCSEs are more important to them. I applied for history though so I don't know whether it's the same for sciences. You meet the minimum requirements and based on personal experience I believe a LOT depends on your interview performance now. Some people had 5 As and did great on the admission test but didn't get in because of their interviews performance. If your course doesn't need an admission test, do the best you can in the interview. Don't make the same mistake as I did.
I requested feedback after my rejection and fhey they said my admission test performance was satisfactory but my interview performance was "dissapointing " and so was my sample essay. They didn't mention my grades there. So I do think if you get the interview then, it all depends on how you perform in it.


Thanks! That is more or less what I suspected. I'm really looking forward to my interview though, I've done a lot of reading and cant wait to show them what I've got. I heard that history interviews are ridiculously hard. A friend of mine applied to Oxford History two years ago and didn't get in because he contradicted himself during his interview. If you don't mind me asking, what GCSEs did you get?


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Original post by JellyfishThunder
Thanks! That is more or less what I suspected. I'm really looking forward to my interview though, I've done a lot of reading and cant wait to show them what I've got. I heard that history interviews are ridiculously hard. A friend of mine applied to Oxford History two years ago and didn't get in because he contradicted himself during his interview. If you don't mind me asking, what GCSEs did you get?


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I only had 4 A*'s but the rest were A's :smile:

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