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Other than Labour being center-left and Green being left-wing, what are the differences between the party in terms of policies and so on? And which one do you tend to agree with, or disagree with?
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Aside from being more left-wing on most issues the green party puts a much higher emphasis on the environment than Labour does, Labour typically treats it as yet another issue to deal with while the green parties it is their main issue. I respect the green parties concern over the environment but I think at the moment slow gradual change when it comes to improving the environment is more likely to happen.
Another thing I notice when I look at the green parties ideas is their is a strong sense of regionalism such as the Scottish Greens wanting Scotland to be independent and the fact Wales wants a separate Green party for themselves too. The green party has also openly said they don't think economic performance is a means to a end in itself if the trade off is considered worth it, Labour by contrast usually claim they would be good or at least won't negatively effect the economy and if so it would be negligible.
I could go into specific policies but most are outdated now considering how much Labour has changed since 2015.
Another thing I notice when I look at the green parties ideas is their is a strong sense of regionalism such as the Scottish Greens wanting Scotland to be independent and the fact Wales wants a separate Green party for themselves too. The green party has also openly said they don't think economic performance is a means to a end in itself if the trade off is considered worth it, Labour by contrast usually claim they would be good or at least won't negatively effect the economy and if so it would be negligible.
I could go into specific policies but most are outdated now considering how much Labour has changed since 2015.
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Economically, corbynite labour and the greens are virtually identical. The difference, in my opinion, is that the greens are left libertarians, mind the buzzword but "hippies" as the politically ignorant would call them.
Corbynite Labour on the other hand, is very authoritarian, examples: John McDonnell suggesting violence against anyone who disagrees with him, all the advocations of Maoism and Corbyn's refusal to reintroduce shadow cabinet elections
Corbynite Labour on the other hand, is very authoritarian, examples: John McDonnell suggesting violence against anyone who disagrees with him, all the advocations of Maoism and Corbyn's refusal to reintroduce shadow cabinet elections
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Greens aren't revolutionary in nature. They will work within the capitalist system in order to get minor concessations where as the Labour left aka socialists and communists believe that the economic system needs to be changed in order to have real change.
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(Original post by saayagain)
Greens aren't revolutionary in nature. They will work within the capitalist system in order to get minor concessations where as the Labour left aka socialists and communists believe that the economic system needs to be changed in order to have real change.
Greens aren't revolutionary in nature. They will work within the capitalist system in order to get minor concessations where as the Labour left aka socialists and communists believe that the economic system needs to be changed in order to have real change.
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Labour is less radical than Greens, the Greens refer to themselves as socialists as well.
Labour is less radical than Greens, the Greens refer to themselves as socialists as well.
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If I were to ask a socialist whether they want communism they will say no. That's how socialist they are
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(Original post by saayagain;[url="tel:67963230")
67963230[/url]]The term socialist means nothing nowadays.
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If I were to ask a socialist whether they want communism they will say no. That's how socialist they are
67963230[/url]]The term socialist means nothing nowadays.
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If I were to ask a socialist whether they want communism they will say no. That's how socialist they are
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The green party are left libertarian and labour is social democratic / democratic socialist
The green party is more of a Locialist / regionalism party I.e the scot green party , NI Greens.
Labour is more authotarian and more interventionist when it comes to the markets and foreign / international policies
The green party is more of a Locialist / regionalism party I.e the scot green party , NI Greens.
Labour is more authotarian and more interventionist when it comes to the markets and foreign / international policies
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The Greens are openly sexist and right on the border between extreme social democracy and socialism (a command economy). They hate the monarchy, they hate NATO and they want our overseas territories gone, they also want the union to end.
Labour is basically a little bit more moderate on economic issues (social democrat rather than socialist) however they have appointed an openly racist shadow home sec and officially don't agree with abolishing our historic institutions and alliances albeit the leadership does support those positions. It is unclear how long they will hold out.
Labour is basically a little bit more moderate on economic issues (social democrat rather than socialist) however they have appointed an openly racist shadow home sec and officially don't agree with abolishing our historic institutions and alliances albeit the leadership does support those positions. It is unclear how long they will hold out.
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Socialism is an economic ideology, communism is that ideology combined with social authoritarianism, it's possible to be a socialist without being communist, it's called left libertarianism (the Green Party)
Socialism is an economic ideology, communism is that ideology combined with social authoritarianism, it's possible to be a socialist without being communist, it's called left libertarianism (the Green Party)
Communism is the end goal of socialism. Socialism is the transition phase between capitalism and communism.
If you have issues with the way in which some countries have used the state to defend socialism then that's for you to deliberate on.
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(Original post by saayagain)
LOL
Communism is the end goal of socialism. Socialism is the transition phase between capitalism and communism.
If you have issues with the way in which some countries have used the state to defend socialism then that's for you to deliberate on.
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Communism is the end goal of socialism. Socialism is the transition phase between capitalism and communism.
If you have issues with the way in which some countries have used the state to defend socialism then that's for you to deliberate on.
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(Original post by Connor27)
In theory, yes, what you are saying is correct, but in practice those two terms have changed slightly since Marx released Das Kapital, how would you describe Scandinavian countries for example? They have a clearly socialist society but show no intention whatsoever of enforcing communism, and also employ relatively laissez-faire social policies
In theory, yes, what you are saying is correct, but in practice those two terms have changed slightly since Marx released Das Kapital, how would you describe Scandinavian countries for example? They have a clearly socialist society but show no intention whatsoever of enforcing communism, and also employ relatively laissez-faire social policies
In the Scandinavian countries, they have a particularly 'generous' welfare state. That's all. I don't even believe the wonderful stories about Scandinavia.
When capitalism comes crashing down in a financial collapse, we will see how generous the society is and whether they are truly left wing.
There shouldn't be the enforcement of communism. It should be the natural progression socialism leads to. If you believe in socialist principles like collectivism then communism is a no-brainer.
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(Original post by saayagain)
The Scandinavian countries are capitalist countries with a welfare state. Most countries in the world are like this. The difference is the scope and the significance of the welfare state.
In the Scandinavian countries, they have a particularly 'generous' welfare state. That's all. I don't even believe the wonderful stories about Scandinavia.
When capitalism comes crashing down in a financial collapse, we will see how generous the society is and whether they are truly left wing.
There shouldn't be the enforcement of communism. It should be the natural progression socialism leads to. If you believe in socialist principles like collectivism then communism is a no-brainer.
The Scandinavian countries are capitalist countries with a welfare state. Most countries in the world are like this. The difference is the scope and the significance of the welfare state.
In the Scandinavian countries, they have a particularly 'generous' welfare state. That's all. I don't even believe the wonderful stories about Scandinavia.
When capitalism comes crashing down in a financial collapse, we will see how generous the society is and whether they are truly left wing.
There shouldn't be the enforcement of communism. It should be the natural progression socialism leads to. If you believe in socialist principles like collectivism then communism is a no-brainer.
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