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New poll: Tories have 17 point lead over Labour Watch

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    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

    Of course the Corbynista will somehow find a way to blame this on someone else; the moderates, Tony Blair, the media, the Jews, the Lizard People. Six months from now they will still be finding excuses for why they are 15 points behind.

    How long will it be before Labour comes to its senses, or is this the new normal? Do normal, centre-left voters have to accept Labour has been taken over by extremists and start thinking about a new party?
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    The notoriously right-wing Guardian is just twisting the numbers!
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    labourites say that brexit fragmented the tories...well look at labour now...it's quite obvious that labour are going to divide. and hence, their vote-base will be spoiled.
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    How long will it be before Labour comes to its senses, or is this the new normal? Do normal, centre-left voters have to accept Labour has been taken over by extremists and start thinking about a new party?
    Well if the poll numbers are right then plenty of people have apparently already made that decision. And so they've jumped ship to the Tory bandwagon. It's going to take quite a lot of work for Labour to win those voters back.
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

    Of course the Corbynista will somehow find a way to blame this on someone else; the moderates, Tony Blair, the media, the Jews, the Lizard People. Six months from now they will still be finding excuses for why they are 15 points behind.

    How long will it be before Labour comes to its senses, or is this the new normal? Do normal, centre-left voters have to accept Labour has been taken over by extremists and start thinking about a new party?
    This is just a glitch for labour as they move from the centre towards a more practical political belief. But its going to work if we give it time. Soon we'll have full support of momentum but we can go much further.

    Politics needs to be introduced to the young and made more attractive. Schools and youths need to know more about ideals. Children like a blank canvas can adopt new ideas and politics but in an enjoyable way.

    Youngsters like the belonging that comes from being in a group especially when that group can help shape their future. They can help out in the community in return advise adults into better political thinking. A bit like a political version of the scouts, with guide book outlining political responsibilities and though for a better future because youngsters our are future.

    A labour youth group could be like the scouts or even a football supporters group drastically attracting members and shaping society.
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    This is just a glitch for labour as they move from the centre towards a more practical political belief. But its going to work if we give it time. Soon we'll have full support of momentum but we can go much further.

    Politics needs to be introduced to the young and made more attractive. Schools and youths need to know more about ideals. Children like a blank canvas can adopt new ideas and politics but in an enjoyable way.

    Youngsters like the belonging that comes from being in a group especially when that group can help shape their future. They can help out in the community in return advise adults into better political thinking. A bit like a political version of the scouts, with guide book outlining political responsibilities and though for a better future because youngsters our are future.

    A labour youth group could be like the scouts or even a football supporters group drastically attracting members and shaping society.
    And this troll still hasn't addressed my criticism of him!

    On the actual poll though, is it really a surprise? The party that actually does what the public wants gets popular support ; the party that goes against everything the public want gets mashed, that's how democracy works usually, it's called political sovereignty, neat idea
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    This is just a glitch for labour as they move from the centre towards a more practical political belief. But its going to work if we give it time. Soon we'll have full support of momentum but we can go much further.

    Politics needs to be introduced to the young and made more attractive. Schools and youths need to know more about ideals. Children like a blank canvas can adopt new ideas and politics but in an enjoyable way.

    Youngsters like the belonging that comes from being in a group especially when that group can help shape their future. They can help out in the community in return advise adults into better political thinking. A bit like a political version of the scouts, with guide book outlining political responsibilities and though for a better future because youngsters our are future.

    A labour youth group could be like the scouts or even a football supporters group drastically attracting members and shaping society.
    Children are "like a blank canvas", and thus vulnerable indoctrination by those who are disillusioned with reality
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    I'm talking about your stupid idea to introduce a one-sided political education to children. Also, Corbyn's platform is far from practical compared to a central platform.
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    (Original post by Dez)
    Well if the poll numbers are right then plenty of people have apparently already made that decision. And so they've jumped ship to the Tory bandwagon. It's going to take quite a lot of work for Labour to win those voters back.
    It wouldn't be a lot of work, just get rid of Corbyn and Abbott and you might just have a credible party.
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    (Original post by Dez)
    Well if the poll numbers are right then plenty of people have apparently already made that decision. And so they've jumped ship to the Tory bandwagon. It's going to take quite a lot of work for Labour to win those voters back.
    To be fair, not really, they need to get back to centre/ centre-left leadership, but given that's not going to happen they need to split. Given anything sort of a miracle for them will have them very likely losing the next two elections anyway, the first at such a margin it doesn't really matter how much bigger the split makes the majority, they need not fear the vote split and it's the prime opportunity. Polling suggests that unlike with the SDP, a centre-left break away group would actually be the party doing better off, the difficulty then comes in wooing voters back after May's tack to the left.

    Regardless, when Labour show they are still committed to the hard left after their third (or maybe even fourth, depending on what happens to UKIP and the Lib Dems) Labour would implode and likely end up merging with the greens or something, being some socialist fringe party that may win a couple of seats, and the new party grows, possibly even drawing the Lib Dems in, and the net effect is socialism defeated again, the centre left being able to win again going into the 2030s, and the centre being realigned slightly to the right, which would likely happen anyway in that time, because hopefully May will be replaced with somebody who can actually call themselves a Tory.
 
 
 
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