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Should I become a Lawyer?

Hi,
I am defo interested in Law and always have been. My only concern is my lack of confidence, I dont know if i could cut it. I recently went to a MiniTrial, just to get a feel for things, and there was this Law student who was embarassingly confident, a real loud mouth, which made me think 'would i have to defend a client agains people like this?' and could I?

Is law school (once you are in) dead competitive? Would it be something easily improved (my lack of confidence) Any advice at all?

I was actually looking into different types of law and was thinking about corporate law, which is apparently less full on, in the confidence sense anyway. (and the pay is meant to be immense, but that is'nt a major factor - any better types of Law you would advise would be fine!)

Thank you.

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Reply 1
Well I'm not really one of the experts on here at all, but you could just become a solicitor instead of a barrister. It's usually the barristers that stand up in court and defend people. Solicitors are more advice and paperwork comparatively.

There are some people qualified as 'solicitor advocates' too, which is kind of half way between the two from what I gather. Solicitors that can defend clients in court.
Reply 2
tony_ron
Well I'm not really one of the experts on here at all, but you could just become a solicitor instead of a barrister. It's usually the barristers that stand up in court and defend people. Solicitors are more advice and paperwork comparatively.


Heh, my career to date destroyed in one paragraph.
chalks
Heh, my career to date destroyed in one paragraph.


It just shows a lack of knowledge on his part, imo. You can excel as a solicitor, just as you can at the Bar.
Reply 4
So any advice then ? Lol!
Reply 5
bamboozled123

I was actually looking into different types of law and was thinking about corporate law, which is apparently less full on, in the confidence sense anyway. (and the pay is meant to be immense, but that is'nt a major factor - any better types of Law you would advise would be fine!)


Whilst "corporate law" (really bad term, but anyway) involves, generally, less court work (i.e. less standing up in court) it is definitely not "less full on"! Probably the most competitive field in law. No offence to the OP but you'll find a lot of people saying that want to "corporate law" if you ask them. Usually means: a) they don't know what field they want to pracitce, and most of the time won't go into corporate law or b) they are attracted by the perceived moey side of coporate law (as the OP hinted at), which is again a bit of a myth really. There is money in all fields of law (even criminal work, despite what a lot of criminal barristers may tell you!). But that money if for the top people in those fields, and you're only going to get good at something that you enjoy, especially with "corporate law" as it inovles more paperwork, more direct legal argument (generally) that other forms of law.

I have no idea what stage of study you're at, but best thing to do is do some mini-pupillages + some vac schemes in solicitors' firms. And do them in differing areas of law, see which one you prefer, it'll help you make a decision.
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wisden14
Whilst "corporate law" (really bad term, but anyway) involves, generally, less court work (i.e. less standing up in court) it is definitely not "less full on"! Probably the most competitive field in law. No offence to the OP but you'll find a lot of people saying that want to "corporate law" if you ask them. Usually means: a) they don't know what field they want to pracitce, and most of the time won't go into corporate law or b) they are attracted by the perceived moey side of coporate law (as the OP hinted at), which is again a bit of a myth really. There is money in all fields of law (even criminal work, despite what a lot of criminal barristers may tell you!). But that money if for the top people in those fields, and you're only going to get good at something that you enjoy, especially with "corporate law" as it inovles more paperwork, more direct legal argument (generally) that other forms of law.

I have no idea what stage of study you're at, but best thing to do is do some mini-pupillages + some vac schemes in solicitors' firms. And do them in differing areas of law, see which one you prefer, it'll help you make a decision.


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Agreed.

However can i just add (erm, the question is hypothetical of course; i'll add regardless :biggrin: ) that you should not just base your likely prospects on your personality, because it will develop with age, but consider whether your academic record is sufficient to get into a good/excellent/brilliant law school (anything less and you will not be able to practice ''corporate law''). You will become more confident when you gain experience further down your academic/work career. Most likely.

Hope this helped a lil bit.:redface:
Reply 7
Thanks a lot wisden14 and Stealth-Pred@r both of you were a great help!
Reply 8
Well I did say I wasn't one of the experts and was only giving general advice. The 'just' solicitor bit was probably misplaced but more a figure of speech than me actively trying to suggest solicitors were inferior lol, I mean why on earth would I. I think saying that Barristers do more work standing up in court compared to solicitors is justified though.

Edit: re-read can see how it might look as though solicitors aren't as good. Wasn't meant to. Best not to look too much into it :smile:.
Reply 9
tony_ron
Well I did say I wasn't one of the experts and was only giving general advice. The 'just' solicitor bit was probably misplaced but more a figure of speech than me actively trying to suggest solicitors were inferior lol, I mean why on earth would I. I think saying that Barristers do more work standing up in court compared to solicitors is justified though.


Don't take it too hard, that guy is a bit of a penis, he has a massive chip on his shoulder about something or other, I'm guessing he's an Oxbridge reject or something along those lines.
Niccolo
Don't take it too hard, that guy is a bit of a penis, he has a massive chip on his shoulder about something or other, I'm guessing he's an Oxbridge reject or something along those lines.


You couldn't be further from the truth. TTKK.

In the meantime, suck your dead nan with a straw.
Reply 11
Niccolo
Don't take it too hard, that guy is a bit of a penis, he has a massive chip on his shoulder about something or other, I'm guessing he's an Oxbridge reject or something along those lines.


Errr - was this directed at me, or Mr Whitaker?
Pernell Whitaker
You couldn't be further from the truth. TTKK.

In the meantime, suck your dead nan with a straw.


i think i did read you ARE at Oxford right? or nottingham?
Reply 13
wisden14
Whilst "corporate law" (really bad term, but anyway) involves, generally, less court work (i.e. less standing up in court) it is definitely not "less full on"! Probably the most competitive field in law. No offence to the OP but you'll find a lot of people saying that want to "corporate law" if you ask them. Usually means: a) they don't know what field they want to pracitce, and most of the time won't go into corporate law or b) they are attracted by the perceived moey side of coporate law (as the OP hinted at), which is again a bit of a myth really. There is money in all fields of law (even criminal work, despite what a lot of criminal barristers may tell you!). But that money if for the top people in those fields, and you're only going to get good at something that you enjoy, especially with "corporate law" as it inovles more paperwork, more direct legal argument (generally) that other forms of law.

I have no idea what stage of study you're at, but best thing to do is do some mini-pupillages + some vac schemes in solicitors' firms. And do them in differing areas of law, see which one you prefer, it'll help you make a decision.
Why is do you keep putting corporate law in quotation marks? And say that it's a really bad term?

As far as I'm aware, it's one of the main practice areas of city firms (in the same way that Tax might be) and incorporates things such as Banking and Finance and Mergers and Acquisitions.
Reply 14
bamboozled123
Hi,
I am defo interested in Law and always have been. My only concern is my lack of confidence, I dont know if i could cut it. I recently went to a MiniTrial, just to get a feel for things, and there was this Law student who was embarassingly confident, a real loud mouth, which made me think 'would i have to defend a client agains people like this?' and could I?

Is law school (once you are in) dead competitive? Would it be something easily improved (my lack of confidence) Any advice at all?

I was actually looking into different types of law and was thinking about corporate law, which is apparently less full on, in the confidence sense anyway. (and the pay is meant to be immense, but that is'nt a major factor - any better types of Law you would advise would be fine!)

Thank you.


Hi there,

If you are interested in law as a subject to study at university, then I don't think you should worry too much at this stage about whether you have the confidence to be a lawyer.

I'm assuming that you are the usual age for a university entrant - if that is the case then your confidence is going to grow immeasurably over the next few years and during your time at University.

I suspect that the 'embarrassingly confident' student was probably actually extremely nervous - overt confidence is often a sham.

I teach (LLM students who have already completed their undergraduate studies) and can tell you that there is often no correlation between apparent confidence and ability.

You will find that there are some students who appear to be of the view that a budding lawyer must be pompous and belligerent at all times - this appears to be an affliction that is a particular problem for those who want to study for the bar. In my humble opinion, however, this sort of affectation is unnecessary - the most accomplished advocates I have seen in action are incredibly gracious in their advocacy.

When I first started studying law I was also very shy - and a bit of a blusher as well. I was determined to overcome this and threw myself into every public speaking situation available. It was a bit daunting at first, but I definitely have my nerves under control now - to the extent that I lecture and am qualifying to be a barrister. Moreover when I confided in other people that I was nervous of public speaking, they were stunned. Clearly although I was terrified on the inside this wasn’t something that other people perceived. Confidence, in my book, is simply the art of not letting anyone see that you’re crapping yourself.

Even top QCs will tell you that they get nervous so it's nothing to be afraid of.

So it is not necessary to be supremely confident in order to be a good lawyer - whether you decide ultimately to qualify as a solicitor or a barrister -and it is certainly possible to increase your confidence.

Hope that helps.
Reply 15
Thanks NINON you rock!!!! Great help!!!!!:smile:
Reply 16
ninon
Hi there,

If you are interested in law as a subject to study at university, then I don't think you should worry too much at this stage about whether you have the confidence to be a lawyer.

I'm assuming that you are the usual age for a university entrant - if that is the case then your confidence is going to grow immeasurably over the next few years and during your time at University.

I suspect that the 'embarrassingly confident' student was probably actually extremely nervous - overt confidence is often a sham.

I teach (LLM students who have already completed their undergraduate studies) and can tell you that there is often no correlation between apparent confidence and ability.

You will find that there are some students who appear to be of the view that a budding lawyer must be pompous and belligerent at all times - this appears to be an affliction that is a particular problem for those who want to study for the bar. In my humble opinion, however, this sort of affectation is unnecessary - the most accomplished advocates I have seen in action are incredibly gracious in their advocacy.

When I first started studying law I was also very shy - and a bit of a blusher as well. I was determined to overcome this and threw myself into every public speaking situation available. It was a bit daunting at first, but I definitely have my nerves under control now - to the extent that I lecture and am qualifying to be a barrister. Moreover when I confided in other people that I was nervous of public speaking, they were stunned. Clearly although I was terrified on the inside this wasn’t something that other people perceived. Confidence, in my book, is simply the art of not letting anyone see that you’re crapping yourself.

Even top QCs will tell you that they get nervous so it's nothing to be afraid of.

So it is not necessary to be supremely confident in order to be a good lawyer - whether you decide ultimately to qualify as a solicitor or a barrister -and it is certainly possible to increase your confidence.

Hope that helps.


Thankyou, Ninon. It is people like you that really make people's days!! Seriously. I've always felt that I have a lack of confidence - fear of public speaking, talking within large groups of people - i'm not a social recluse by any means - but I do find it hard when having to be 'formally' confident.

Your post has inspired me because I was always afraid that my lack of confidence would burden my dream.

On a general note, would getting 1A*, 6As and 3Bs - at GCSE level - be at an advantage or disadvantage to me studying law at warwick University (obviously i know I must get straight As at A-level). Thanks
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Reply 17
lol2003
On a general note, would getting 1A*, 6As and 3Bs - at GCSE level - be at an advantage or disadvantage to me studying law at warwick University (obviously i know I must get straight As at A-level). Thanks
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I'm fairly sure that those are the exact grades that m1kes on this forum (I'm not sure that he still posts) got. He's at Warwick.
Reply 18
IF i get a law degree and i decide to do something else such as acountancy or investmentbanking. will it make a difference if i get a 2-1 at a place like UCL/LSE/SOAS to Sheffield? would it place me in a better position if i got in LSE/UCL/SOAS over sheffield 2 get in other fields such as investment banking?
Reply 19
I ask myself this question everyday! Will i make it or won't i? I admit i don't have great confidence in myself and i shake at the thought of standing up amidst a group of intellectuals and speaking but i realise that its all part of the experience and thats what it takes. That's what, essentially, makes you a lawyer. You do what most other people cannot and you do it good!:p:

However, being a female, i get worried that i'm trying to pursue a career that i may not be able to succeed in or reach my full potential in because i do, eventually, want to get married and have a family. I wish to become a barrister and i'm doing my utmost to get there and i want this more than anything but it really gets me down when i think how long it is going to take me to establish myself and actually get a job and start to work properly as a Barrister. The process of being called to the Bar and taking on pupillage, is not only time consuming but in most cases unlikely because, as stated previously on here by a number of people, candidates don't make it that far. So what are the chances that i will be the lucky one and get chosen?Is your position and job guaranteed to be there after you've had children?
Not only these but there are numerous other reasons why i feel choosing to become a barrister/lawyer may not be for me but i hate the thought of turning away from this dream that i've always wanted to achieve.

Can anybody offer any advice or suggest any alternatives? Or am i just thinking too negatively about the future and my aspirations?