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    A162 – Simulated Elections Amendment
    Proposed by: PetrosAC MP (Lib)
    Seconded by: hazzer1998 MP (UKIP), Quamquam123 MP (Lab), SoggyCabbages MP (Lab), Unown Uzer MP (UKIP)

    In the Guidance Document, replace Section 1.1 with:



    1. The Speaker is responsible for everything surrounding the HoC elections

    2. Manifestos are to be submitted to the Speaker by the deadline, and received after this time will be accepted at the Speaker’s discretion

    3. In a General Election, any number of Parties and Independents are permitted to stand. The Speaker has discretion to remove anyone from standing in the General Election.

    4. Manifestos submitted must be less than 450 words.
    i) Manifestos may not contain more than two image files.
    ii) Manifestos may not contain audio or video files.
    iii) Manifestos may not contain pictures of, or quotes attributed to, any real-life figure, living or dead, political or otherwise.
    iv) Where a manifesto is received with more than 450 words, the Speaker will cut the manifesto at the 450-word mark.

    5. The Formal Duration of the Election will be 14 days
    Day 0- The Prime Minister holds the authority to announce his/her intention to seek a dissolution on a particular date; as long as parliament does not expire in between.
    Day 0 – Election is called by the Prime Minister or the speaker if parliament has expired. A wash up period of seven days remains in place but no new 'threads' will be submitted to the speaker.
    Day 0 – The Speaker will inform parties to submit their manifestos and candidate lists;
    Day 7 – All manifesto’s should have been received by the speaker who shall admit them subject to them meeting the criteria to stand. Who formally declares the previous parliament dissolved and shall remove all MP's from the Division Lobby Forum.
    Day 7 – The Speaker will post a thread containing ALL manifestos in the Model House Of Commons sub-forum and a list of all candidates by constituency. The process of simulating the election will then begin.
    Day 9 - Results of the election are declared by the speaker, the speaker will then inform party leaders they have 5 days to form any coalitions
    Day 14 - Details of formed coalitions are formally announced by the speaker who invites the leader of the largest coalition/party that fulfills article 6.1 to form a government and nominate a prime minister for appointment. The speaker invites the leader of the largest party that does not take part in the government and that fulfills article 7.1 to form a shadow ministry.
    Day 14 - The speaker formally declares parliament open and announces details of parliament's expiration date.

    6. Independent candidates are allowed to join a party at any point during parliament, in doing so they take their seat with them and bolster the party’s seats. This however will not affect the party in power.

    7. There will be 12 Constituencies that will elect a total of 25 MPs.
    Scotland (2 seats)
    Northern Ireland (1 seat)
    Wales (1 seat)
    North West (3 Seats)
    North East & Cumbria (2 Seats)
    Yorkshire & The Humber (2 seats)
    West Midlands (2 seats)
    East Midlands (2 Seats)
    Eastern (2 Seats)
    London (3 Seats)
    South West (2 Seats)
    South East (3 Seats)

    Each Party can only stand the number of candidates equivalent to the number of seats that constituency elects in each constituency. Independents are allowed to stand under a named banner, and several independents are allowed to stand under the same banner.

    8. There will be 25 National Seats that will be allocated proportionally so the percentage of seats won is equal to or as close to the percentage of votes won as possible.

    9. Votes will be calculated using two different factors. Party Points and Candidate Points. Party Points are calculated by adding a party’s current number of seats divided by 10, all legislation submitted divided by 2 and any buffer the Speaker wishes to add on to give out a fairer result. Further variables can be added by the Speaker. All Independents will receive 50 Party Points. All legislation should have the primary author’s name in the notes. Only a maximum of one author is permitted.

    Candidate Points are calculated by the number of awards a candidate has previously won at any end of term awards multiplied by 5, plus legislation produced by that members multiplied by 2, plus their “Power”, which is in turn calculated by several different variables including being a Party Leader, being in Cabinet or a former Party Leader. All incumbent MPs also receive an additional 10 Points. These can be adjusted at the Speaker’s discretion.

    To get the total number of votes cast for a candidate, you add their Party Points and Candidate Points and multiply it by 100. The winning candidates become MPs.


    Section 1.2 of the Guidance Document will be replaced with:


    1. The Speaker is responsible for everything surrounding TSR by-elections.

    2. Manifestos are to be submitted to the Speaker by the deadline, any received after this time will be accepted at the Speaker’s discretion.

    3. The restrictions on manifesto length and content shall be the same as in normal TSR General Elections.

    4. By-elections will be contested in the same way as normal TSR General Elections, but only for specific seats.

    5. A By-election can be triggered by a poor voting record (see 3.1 of the Guidance Document) or by an MP defecting to another Party. A by-election will not be called if the defecting MP wasn’t the original MP for the seat at the start of term. This allows parties to still have proxy MPs and change MPs.


    Section 3.1, Clause 3c of the Guidance Document, which reads is removed.

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    Notes
    This amendment introduces fully simulated elections for General Elections and By-elections, introduces constituencies to the MHoC for the first time and gets rid of the rule stopping parties that have lost their seat restanding in by-elections.

    More information on how the simulated elections work can be found here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

    The current candidate points can be found in the following link. It is not fully updated as legislation submitted in the last two months has not been added on. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

    Finally, after running a test simulation, here were the results. Further adjustments have been made since: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

    I know this system can seem incredibly confusing, but I urge you all to give it the time it needs.

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    I hope everyone can keep as open a mind as possible about this. Feel free to ask as many questions as you need


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    I would rather have closer to 40 constituency seats and 10/11 party seats. I'd also like the ability to name constituency seats inside the regional seats.

    I also believe that there should be some sorta left/right balance in the constituencies to make it more accurate.

    Lastly how will the percentage of votes be calculated? Are we basing it on the sum of individual votes in constituties or are we weighting according to RL populations?
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    (Original post by Aph)
    I would rather have closer to 40 constituency seats and 10/11 party seats. I'd also like the ability to name constituency seats inside the regional seats.

    I also believe that there should be some sorta left/right balance in the constituencies to make it more accurate.

    Lastly how will the percentage of votes be calculated? Are we basing it on the sum of individual votes in constituties or are we weighting according to RL populations?
    On the last point, it'd be the sum of all individual votes.

    I don't think there should be a forced left-right balance. Firstly, because it's naturally quite balanced anyway. Secondly, because people song just vote on left/right issues.

    I felt that an even split would be better. Parties can just about stand around 15-25 candidates at the most. 40 would be pushing it massively.


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    Please can the Speaker confirm whether this amendment would affect the upcoming GE?
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    Hmm on first glance it seems OK.
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    Nay from me - the current system isn't broke, so I don't see a need to fix it.
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    Pretty sure this was tried before and...same answer as before.

    Might not have formally been tried, just floated as a thought.

    The basis really is dodgy, and this is looking like a plot to form a Liberal-UKIP majority government with no real basis for it. The use of the word "legislation" is also totally inaccurate, and this would encourage parties to spam bills that do very little, not that some parties need any help there.
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    Nope. Also, if we look at Petros' track record for amendments, like er, the Crisis Committee, then this has no hope.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Pretty sure this was tried before and...same answer as before.

    Might not have formally been tried, just floated as a thought.
    I don't think it's been formally tried.

    Why not though?


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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    On the last point, it'd be the sum of all individual votes.

    I don't think there should be a forced left-right balance. Firstly, because it's naturally quite balanced anyway. Secondly, because people song just vote on left/right issues.

    I felt that an even split would be better. Parties can just about stand around 15-25 candidates at the most. 40 would be pushing it massively.


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    I think they should be weighted.

    I kinda see that, but if a constituency swung from socialist to UKIP in 6 months that's unrealistic.

    I also understand that, but you then risk parties not getting the right number of seats and it risks all constituency seats going to big parties. If you have closer to 40 and they still stand 10/15 members each (unlikely) you get a better balance.
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    (Original post by Quamquam123)
    Please can the Speaker confirm whether this amendment would affect the upcoming GE?
    If it passes before the election is called, then yes.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    I think they should be weighted.

    I kinda see that, but if a constituency swung from socialist to UKIP in 6 months that's unrealistic.

    I also understand that, but you then risk parties not getting the right number of seats and it risks all constituency seats going to big parties. If you have closer to 40 and they still stand 10/15 members each (unlikely) you get a better balance.
    I can see your point, but I'm not sure how we can do it in practice. Possibly with some form of "stronghold buffer".

    Well, no. If you have 40 constituency seats, all it means is that the people that have more candidates will be able to pick up more seats, where as 25 national seats mean we can get a much more proportional result


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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    I don't think it's been formally tried.

    Why not though?


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    The basis of the points is absolutely ridiculous, it encourages members to spam bills they know will fail because legislation is being used to mean "they submitted something", it also doesn't factor in things such as what legislation does, natural advantages of ideological positions in different areas, and awards won really means either "I post a lot" or "I have a dry sense of humour" or "I was the chosen person the block vote went to" And obviously that comes from the person holding the most right now. The basis of the "power" system is questionable at best, and is poorly defined. Further, there is way to much scope for the Speaker interfering with the election, as in there are LITERALLY no checks and balances, the speaker could, for instance, apply extra buffs and nerfs that make one party win absolutely every seat and apart from the fact that would be boring for everyone so even the winning party wouldn't support it (well, actually I wouldn't be surprised) they could get away with it no questions asked.
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    I can see your point, but I'm not sure how we can do it in practice. Possibly with some form of "stronghold buffer".

    Well, no. If you have 40 constituency seats, all it means is that the people that have more candidates will be able to pick up more seats, where as 25 national seats mean we can get a much more proportional result


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    Do you really think that any party could stand 25 let alone 40 candidates? Especially if you make the speaker need to ask every nominee if they want to stand.
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    These are also the sorts of amendments which are why any GD which is directly made binding by the constitution should require a supermajority.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    The basis of the points is absolutely ridiculous, it encourages members to spam bills they know will fail because legislation is being used to mean "they submitted something", it also doesn't factor in things such as what legislation does, natural advantages of ideological positions in different areas, and awards won really means either "I post a lot" or "I have a dry sense of humour" or "I was the chosen person the block vote went to"
    The awards and legislation have a low weighting, and it does encourage people to produce more legislation. It can potentially be adjusted to legislation that goes to vote or legislation that passes, but I do think activity has to play a role in this.

    I'm happy to look into natural advantages in constituencies for different parties


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    (Original post by Aph)
    Do you really think that any party could stand 25 let alone 40 candidates? Especially if you make the speaker need to ask every nominee if they want to stand.
    In the test run, Labour stood 25 and UKIP and the Liberals had around 16 each (if I remember correctly).

    However, a couple of candidates off 25 is a massive gap to 20+ candidates off 40


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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    In the test run, Labour stood 25 and UKIP and the Liberals had around 16 each (if I remember correctly).

    However, a couple of candidates off 25 is a massive gap to 20+ candidates off 40


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    I can't see labour standing or coping with 25 people.
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    The awards and legislation have a low weighting, and it does encourage people to produce more legislation. It can potentially be adjusted to legislation that goes to vote or legislation that passes, but I do think activity has to play a role in this.

    I'm happy to look into natural advantages in constituencies for different parties


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    And all the other criticisms, putting aside the fact that it seems to be a way to massively boost UKIP and the Liberals
 
 
 
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