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    I don't want to start any arguments so please bear that in mind

    I am a muslim, i have been brought up as one and i do love my religion. However i have been realising all these restrictions placed upon me such as who and who i can't marry, the way i should act or dress, misogyny and all sorts of stuff. I do agree in the teachings and it being a way of life but i just don't know if the belief and acceptance in some aspects is going to keep me grounded to the religion.

    I feel like in the near future i'm gonna make decisions that aren't acceptable in my religion and i am gonna disown my family...

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    If you're going to leave your religion, that's fine. It's not like religion is the only source of morality, for example.

    Be careful in the way you broach the topic with your family, though, depending on how religious they are.
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    You aren't a true Muslim if you believe all of those things and disagree with the reasons behind the rules and restrictions.
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    (Original post by Mactotaur)
    If you're going to leave your religion, that's fine. It's not like religion is the only source of morality, for example.

    Be careful in the way you broach the topic with your family, though, depending on how religious they are.
    They're extremely religious and i really do not want to leave my religion, i can't afford to
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    (Original post by liquidconfidence)
    You aren't a true Muslim if you believe all of those things and disagree with the reasons behind the rules and restrictions.
    You could say then that there are very few 'true' Western Christians either, seeing as they don't tend to kill gay people or women who get raped. Let's not derail this thread with No True Scotsmans.
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    (Original post by liquidconfidence)
    You aren't a true Muslim if you believe all of those things and disagree with the reasons behind the rules and restrictions.
    i know and i hate myself for that but some of the misogyny makes me question it all
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    They're extremely religious and i really do not want to leave my religion, i can't afford to
    How old are you? If you're 18, you can move away.

    If you don't agree with your religion, don't put yourself through the torture of trying to stick to it. That's not good for you.
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    (Original post by Mactotaur)
    How old are you? If you're 18, you can move away.

    If you don't agree with your religion, don't put yourself through the torture of trying to stick to it. That's not good for you.
    I'm 17 and even when i do my mum and dad are not gonna let me
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    I'm 17 and even when i do my mum and dad are not gonna let me
    Once you're of age, your parents can't legally stop you.
    If they try you can get free legal counsel if it comes to it.
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    (Original post by Mactotaur)
    You could say then that there are very few 'true' Western Christians either, seeing as they don't tend to kill gay people or women who get raped. Let's not derail this thread with No True Scotsmans.
    The only person who may potentially derail this thread is you.

    There are also rules in Islam that dictate that one should kill an individual who does not adhere to certain customs or rules- but we are not talking about that. OP mentioned things relating to marriage, behaviour and dressing a certain way i.e: restrictions. Nowhere in the original post did she say "I just don't know if I agree with Person A killing Person B because of Reason/Scenario C". Which is a similar scenario to the poor example you used when you mentioned that it could be argued that 'there are very few 'true' Western Christians' because 'they don't tend to kill gay people or women who get raped. That was a very poor comparison.

    I'm politely requesting that you do not quote me again after this as I can not be bothered to deal with any more stupidity or silly attempts from someone hoping to fuel an argument. Primarily because OP clearly stated that she did not want that and quite frankly, neither do I.
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    (Original post by liquidconfidence)
    The only person who may potentially derail this thread is you.

    There are also rules in Islam that dictate that one should kill an individual who does not adhere to certain customs or rules- but we are not talking about that. OP mentioned things relating to marriage, behaviour and dressing a certain way i.e: restrictions. Nowhere in the original post did she say "I just don't know if I agree with Person A killing Person B because of Reason/Scenario C". Similarly to the poor example you used when you mentioned that it could be argued that 'there are very few 'true' Western Christians' because 'they don't tend to kill gay people or women who get raped. That was a very poor comparison.

    I'm politely requesting that you do not quote me again after this as I can't be bothered to deal with any more stupidity and silly attempts at fuelling an argument. Primarily because OP clearly stated that she did not want that and neither do I.
    It's not a poor comparison, as those two things are explicitly called for in the Bible.

    You misunderstand, I'm not saying anything about this person being a True Muslim (tm), I'm saying that it's foolish to focus on that when by that standard there would be only a handful of True Muslims in this country.
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    (Original post by liquidconfidence)
    The only person who may potentially derail this thread is you.

    There are also rules in Islam that dictate that one should kill an individual who does not adhere to certain customs or rules- but we are not talking about that. OP mentioned things relating to marriage, behaviour and dressing a certain way i.e: restrictions. Nowhere in the original post did she say "I just don't know if I agree with Person A killing Person B because of Reason/Scenario C". Which is a similar scenario to the poor example you used when you mentioned that it could be argued that 'there are very few 'true' Western Christians' because 'they don't tend to kill gay people or women who get raped. That was a very poor comparison.

    I'm politely requesting that you do not quote me again after this as I can't be bothered to deal with any more stupidity and silly attempts at fuelling an argument. Primarily because OP clearly stated that she did not want that and neither do I.
    no religion is perfect and yeah i did mention those things
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    I don't want to start any arguments so please bear that in mind

    I am a muslim, i have been brought up as one and i do love my religion. However i have been realising all these restrictions placed upon me such as who and who i can't marry, the way i should act or dress, misogyny and all sorts of stuff. I do agree in the teachings and it being a way of life but i just don't know if the belief and acceptance in some aspects is going to keep me grounded to the religion.

    I feel like in the near future i'm gonna make decisions that aren't acceptable in my religion and i am gonna disown my family...

    Help?
    Okay, so you love Islam, that's great! Now, marriage is always a tough one alongside behaiour because culture often overrules Islamic teachings (stupidly).

    But, to ensure we remain firm on our deen it is best to marry a fellow Muslim, and so you won't stray from the religion. Your behaviour in my opinion should replicate what Islam promotes, YES that is not always possible but strive to better yourself.

    I noticed you mentioned 'misogyny', now that clearly highlights to me that the culture of your family is patriachal and assigns roles to men and women. But you must remember Islam preaches equality for men and women.

    In summary never mix culture with Islam. It's like Oil and water, they will never mix.
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    (Original post by Mactotaur)
    It's not a poor comparison, as those two things are explicitly called for in the Bible.

    You misunderstand, I'm not saying anything about this person being a True Muslim (tm), I'm saying that it's foolish to focus on that when by that standard there would be only a handful of True Muslims in this country.
    See this is specifically why I requested you did not quote me. The fact is, the things OP said that she disagrees with in terms of being a Muslim are fundamental, modern (emphasis on the modern) rules and customs that define and are especially important in Islam, in the current day. Therefore, it is reasonable to say that she isn't a true Muslim if she doesn't have strong faith in the things I highlighted in bold in my previous point.

    I also understand the point you're making, and perhaps I did misunderstand in a way. However, we are still approaching this from completely different angles so we aren't necessarily taking about the same thing.
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    They're extremely religious and i really do not want to leave my religion, i can't afford to
    Would you mind expanding on why you can't afford to?
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    (Original post by liquidconfidence)
    See this is specifically why I requested you did not quote me. The fact is, the things OP said that she disagrees with in terms of being a Muslim are fundamental, modern (emphasis on the modern) rules and customs that define and are especially important in Islam, in the current day. Therefore, due to that, it is reasonable to say that she isn't a true Muslim if she doesn't have strong faith in the things I highlighted in bold in my previous point.

    I also understand the point you're making, and perhaps I did misunderstand in a way. However, we are still approaching this from completely different angles so we aren't necessarily taking about the same thing.
    Let's try and quickly resolve this then.

    If we consider that a true Muslim is one who follows the Quran to the letter, I doubt you would find more than a hundred in England.

    On the balance of probability, then, OP is not a true Muslim. Does that affect whether she should or should not leave her faith? Not particularly, as she obviously follows parts of it which have a large impact on her life, not least in the fact that her family appears to be quite heavily religious.
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    (Original post by Mactotaur)
    Let's try and quickly resolve this then.

    If we consider that a true Muslim is one who follows the Quran to the letter, I doubt you would find more than a hundred in England.

    On the balance of probability, then, OP is not a true Muslim. Does that affect whether she should or should not leave her faith? Not particularly, as she obviously follows parts of it which have a large impact on her life, not least in the fact that her family appears to be quite heavily religious.
    See that is the difference in our arguments, I am not defining a 'true Muslim' based on someone who follows the Qur'an to the letter. I am judging it by an individual who does agrees with the basic customs, such as marrying certain people and dressing a certain way etc.

    It really depends, if she doesn't agree with at least those things then she probably should leave her religion because many other muslims disagree with some of the rules in Islam yet, they will at least stand and abide by those fundamental rules i.e: wear religious clothing, (for females) cover up and marry another Muslim, preferably with the same/similar culture as their own.
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    (Original post by liquidconfidence)
    See that is the difference in our arguments, I am not defining a 'true Muslim' based on someone who follows the Qur'an to the letter. I am judging it by an individual who does agrees with the basic customs, such as marrying certain people and dressing a certain way etc.

    It really depends, if she doesn't agree with at least those things then she probably should leave her religion because many other muslims disagree with some of the rules in Islam yet, they will at least stand and abide by those fundamental rules i.e: wear religious clothing, (for females) cover up and marry another Muslim, preferably with the same/similar culture as their own.
    Oh, I agree, I'm just concerned that her family might be more strict and may not take it well.
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    (Original post by liquidconfidence)
    See this is specifically why I requested you did not quote me. The fact is, the things OP said that she disagrees with in terms of being a Muslim are fundamental, modern (emphasis on the modern) rules and customs that define and are especially important in Islam, in the current day. Therefore, it is reasonable to say that she isn't a true Muslim if she doesn't have strong faith in the things I highlighted in bold in my previous point.

    I also understand the point you're making, and perhaps I did misunderstand in a way. However, we are still approaching this from completely different angles so we aren't necessarily taking about the same thing.
    I'm sorry but I don't think you're in a position to pass judgements, no-one is.

    Rather than stating they're not a 'true Muslim', perhaps provide some helpful advice.
    As they say knowledge is power.
    It's evident they have mixed culture with religion and this has impacted their perspective of the religion as a whole.They don't want to advocate cultural issues they have;however they have associated his with Islam and so it had distorted their view.
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    (Original post by Cremated_Spatula)
    Would you mind expanding on why you can't afford to?
    My parents are overprotective my mothrr isn't willing to send me to a uni out of the city
 
 
 
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